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13 But [de] we [hemeis] are bound [opheilo] to give thanks [eucharisteo] alway [pantote] to God [theos] for [peri] you, [humon] brethren [adelphos] beloved [agapao] of [hupo] the Lord, [kurios] because [hoti] God [theos] hath [haireomai] from [apo] the beginning [arche] chosen [haireomai] you [humas] to [eis] salvation [soteria] through [en] sanctification [hagiasmos] of the Spirit [pneuma] and [kai] belief [pistis] of the truth: [aletheia] KJV-Interlinear
13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. NASB
Yesterday, we studied the flaws of Islam, and especially the uncertainty of the promises that Islam represents. If a message is from God, then that message is perfect. If the message is anything other than perfect then it is not from God, and the follower risks losing their eternal life.
Life is a very serious business. Your entire future is on the line, and to avoid the responsibility of pointing out to those who might be lost forever, would be totally irresponsible. To tolerate their beliefs is one thing, but to remain silent so as not to offend, is quite another.
And now here Paul, with one swoop of the pen in a single verse, especially following the previous verse, where he warns that those who reject truth, will with certainty, be lost forever, gives us the doctrines of salvation and of eternal security of that same salvation.
Once you have been saved, you are always saved.
Once you have believed in Christ, you will not stop committing sins. This is the devils world and you are in bodies of corruptibility. Even denying that you sin, is a fools comment. However, once saved, always saved. Once born, you cannot unborn yourself. Once born again, you cannot unborn again yourself. Tell your momma that you would like to unborn yourself and return to the womb, and if she doesn’t smack you senseless … Well, look into the mirror and identify stupid.
Anyway, sinless perfection in this life is unattainable, 1 Kings 8:46, Psa. 143:2, Prov. 20:9, Eccl. 7:20, 1 John 1:8,10.
1 Kings 8:46
46 "When they sin against Thee (for there is no man who does not sin) NASB
1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. NASB
Through your belief in Christ, God chose you, even elected you into salvation. He saw in eternity past, your choice to believe in Christ now. Without coercion, without being intimidated, without pressure of any kind. You made the choice to believe in Christ.
And through your faith, salvation became yours forever.
Rom 8:29-30
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born among many brethren;
30 and whom He predestined, these He also called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. NASB
Gods election is permanent. Gods foreknowledge is permanent. He cannot see you saved and then see you unsaved, afterwords. For you cannot lose your salvation. There is nothing that you can think or do, that will cause you to lose your salvation. That would imply that your thoughts or actions are greater than God. And that is impossible.
Jesus, likewise stated that anything given to Him by the Father, could never, repeat, never be lost.
John 6:37
37 "All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. NASB
John 6:39-40
39 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.
40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." NASB
John 6:44
44 "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. NASB
John 10:27-29
27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. NASB
Salvation began with Gods sovereign and uninfluenced love. It is not based on the merit or numbers of the individual, otherwise that would imply that the person could earn salvation or negotiate his salvation through his own works. Such is not the case. God made His decision, even before the foundation of the world, before humanity even existed.
Eph 1:4-5
4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him. In love
5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, NASB
Deut. 7:7
7 The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any of the peoples, for you were the fewest of all peoples, NASB
And even though many will believe and be saved, there will be many who will have the same choice of salvation, but through their own volition, will reject Christ. For to think those six little words, ‘Father I believe in Jesus Christ,’ seems to be an insurmountable hurdle for unbelievers.
And for the life of me, how anyone can refuse to even think these words, which would take all of but a second of time, seems the epitome of arrogance and stubbornness, when the alternative is the Lake of Fire and eternal condemnation. Why would anyone even take that risk, over a simple thought?
So Paul lays out four simple contrasts. There are those who love and obey truth vs. those who refuse to love and obey. There are those who God redeems vs. those who God judges. There are those who believe truth vs. those who believe the lies (which are from Satan). There are those who follow Christ vs. those who follow anti-christ.
Note that good yields freedom, prosperity, security and so forth. Bad yields slavery and suffering and worse.
There is no room for the bad, if you want anything good.
Place out a piece of meat on the counter and leave it there. What happens? It rots. Can the meat cure its own rot? No. No person can cure their own flaws through their own work. Only God can work that miracle.
2 Tim. 1:9
9 who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity, NASB
Once saved, always saved, for all of eternity.
Once saved, the believers name is sealed permanently to the book of life and is never blotted out. Believers are called the elect or the chosen, Rev 13:8, 17:8, Matt. 24:22,24,31, Mark 13:20,22,27, Luke 18:7, Rom. 8:33, Matt. 22:14, Rom. 11:7, Col. 3:12; 2 Tim. 2:10, Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1.
God doing all of the work crushes mans arrogance, Titus 3:5.
Titus 3:5
5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, NASB
Salvation exalts God, Psa. 115:1. It produces happiness in knowing one is saved, 1 Pet. 1:1-2, 6, 8. It grants privileges beyond imagination, Eph. 1:3. It paves the way for holiness in believers, Col. 3:12-13.
And, the key to this passage, it provides eternal security, Phil. 1:6
Phil. 1:6
6 For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. NASB
The Holy Spirit, in salvation, sets apart (sanctifies), the believer from the world, and aligns the believer with Gods righteousness, not mans righteousness, Rom. 15:16, 1 Cor 6:11, 1 Peter 1:2.
And as for our part in all of this, we merely believe.
We believe in Jesus Christ who accomplished all of the work for salvation. Man can do nothing to earn nor does he deserve salvation. It is Gods gift.
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; NASB
Acts 16:31
31 And they said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household." NASB
The principle that salvation is by faith is found in many passages in the Bible, Mark 1:15, John 1:12, 3:15-16,36, 5:24, 6:40,47, Acts 10:43, Rom. 1:16, 1 Tim. 1:16, 2 Tim. 3:15, 1 Peter 1:9, 1 John 5:1.
Therefore, God has done all of the work. The Father planned it, the Son executed it, and the Holy Spirit secures it. That makes salvation permanent. No one can take it away from you, and you certainly cannot lose it.
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Friday, October 30, 2009
Flaws of Islam
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Islam is the second largest belief in the world. Second only to Christianity, Islam claims approximately one to one-and-a-half billion followers.
Islam is the correct name for the religion, as Muslim is the correct name for the person who follows Islam.
In the seventh century A.D., the prophet Muhammad claimed that God (Allah) revealed to him through the angel Gabriel, the words of Islam.
The name of Islam, means ‘to submit’ to Allah’s will.
The book of Islam is called the Qur’an.
Among the many differences between Christianity and Islam, is found in the respective attitudes demonstrated toward criticisms. Where Christians are taught to be tolerant and respect the ideas and criticisms of others, Muslims take criticisms of Islam as disrespectful and they can be extremely intolerant even to the point of violent towards any who criticize them.
Islam was founded by an Arabian named Muhammad who lived between 570 and 632 A.D. Born in Mecca he claimed to have received divine revelations from God through Gabriel in 610 A.D. These revelations were told to others who wrote them down in the book called Qur’an. Muhammad was illiterate and could neither read nor write.
There are two principle views in Islam. First there is the view of the Sunni’s and second the view of the Shi’ites. The Sunni view is by far the more dominant view, approximately 90%. There are also Muslim mystics called Sufis, and more recently an American movement called Black Muslims.
Islam holds six basic beliefs.
First, Allah is the one true God.
Second, Angels exist.
Third, the Qur’an was the last and final book of a long series of books revealed by God (including the Old and New Testaments).
Fourth, God sent 124,000 prophets to mankind. The six principle prophets are Adam (the chosen of Allah), Noah (the preacher of Allah), Abraham (the friend of Allah), Moses (the speaker of Allah), Jesus (the word of Allah), and Muhammad (the apostle of Allah). Muhammad is considered the greatest of all the prophets.
Fifth, Islam teaches in predestination, and that everything that happens, both good and evil, is the will of Allah.
Sixth, there will be a day of judgment. In that day, all of the deeds of men will be placed on a scale. Those who have sufficient personal merit will go into heaven and those who do not will go into eternal hell.
Note one thing here. Christianity looks to Gods work and mans faith in Jesus Christ, for eternal salvation, while Islam looks to mans individual effort for eternal life.
Islam calls for six fundamental practices.
First, reciting the creed of Islam, ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.’
Second, to pray five times daily in certain prescribed postures.
Third, to observe a month of fasting called Ramadan.
Fourth, to give alms to the poor.
Fifth, to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in their lifetime.
Sixth, to obey the call to jihad.
Now these are the basics of Islam. The problem arises in that Islam states that the Bible is its fundamental initial source document, and that therein causes many flaws in Islam to come to the surface.
Islam claims only one God, one person. The Bible claims one God but three persons in the Godhead (Father, Son, and Spirit), Matt. 28:19, John 1:1, 14, Acts 5:3-4, Gen. 1. The word for Elohim, in the Bible is plural.
Qur’an Sura 5:116 states that the Trinity is the Father, Mother (Mary), and Son, and that this is derogatory toward Allah.
Qur’an Sura 43:59 states that Jesus is mortal and nothing more.
Sura 19:20,34 states that Jesus himself denied that he was God, but was only a messenger of Allah.
Of course these are never recorded in the Bible, which Islam claims is the foundation of the Qur’an.
Jesus claimed to be God, in the Bible, and was thus indicted for His crucifixion, however, Islam claims that Jesus claimed otherwise. Thus a contradiction between the two. Note quickly that the gospels were written 600 years before the Qur’an.
Islam has no means of salvation other than it is achieved through obedience to the teachings Allah. In other words, man has to earn his salvation.
In Christianity, one has only to believe in Christ and salvation is obtained. Works are never an issue.
Islam claims that the Qur’an is the literal Word of God and is perfect and without error.
However ……
If the Bible is the foundation uncorrupted, of the Qur’an, then the following are just the beginning of the inconsistencies between the two.
Qur’an - one God, one person; Bible - one God, three persons.
Qur’an - Jesus was a prophet but only a man; Bible - Jesus is God incarnate.
Qur’an - Salvation is by works, salvation is uncertain; Bible - Salvation is by grace through faith and is assured.
Qur’an - contains historical corruptions; Bible - contains no corruptions and has been proven accurate throughout history.
Since it is generally agreed that God cannot inspire errors, then any and all revelations must be accurate, otherwise God would not be God if He made mistakes.
Errors within the Qur’an.
Qur’an states that the Ark of Noah came to rest on the Mt. Judi (Sura 11:44); Bible states Mt. Ararat.
Qur’an states that Abrahams father was Azar (Sura 6:74); Bible states that his father was Terah.
Qur’an claims that Abraham attempted to sacrifice Ishmael (Sura 37:100-112); Bible claims Isaac was the son placed on the sacrificial alter.
Qur’an claims that it was Pharoah’s wife who adopted Moses (Sura 28:8-9); Bible states it was Pharaoh’s daughter who adopted Moses.
Qur’an claims that the flood of Noah occurred in Moses’ day (Sura 7:136, 7:59); Bible claims the Flood occurred many centuries earlier.
Qur’an claims that Mary had Jesus under a palm tree (Sura 19:22); Bible claims the Jesus was born in a stable.
Qur’an claims that Muhammad was described in the Bible (Sura 7:157); Bible has no reference to Mohammad.
The Qur’an mentions many episodes in the Bible, however it adds or confuses many of the facts.
Qur’an claims that the Jews returned to Egypt after the Exodus (Sura 2:56-57:61); Bible calls them Israelites, the term Jew did not occur until many centuries later, and they did not return to Egypt.
Qur’an claims that Zechariah would be speechless for three days (Sura 3:41); Bible states that he lost his voice for nine months and regained it when John the Baptist was born.
Qur’an gives the story of Joseph (Sura 12:11-20), which is totally different than the story written in the Bible, Gen. 37.
Qur’an confuses the two men Saul and Gideon (Sura 2:241) when compared to the Bible.
Qur’an tells a totally different story when compared to Gen. 37-45 (Sura 12:21-32, 36-55.
Qur’an teaches that one of Noah’s sons did not enter the Ark (Sura 11), then states that all of Noah’s family entered into the Ark (Sura 21), compare with the Bible in Gen. 6-7.
Qur’an has within it conflicting accounts of Muhammad’s call to be a prophet, Sura 52:2-18, 81:19-24, Sura 16:102, 26:192-94, Sura 15:18, 2:97.
Qur’an teaches that it took God eight days to create the world (Sura 41:9-12), where Sura 7:51, 10:3, and 11:6 claim that it took him only six days.
The Qur’an challenges men to find contradictions in the Qur’an (Sura 4:84)
The Bible has been challenged and proven accurate and is independently verified by prophecy, archaeology, manuscript evidence and so forth. The Qur’an has none of these verifications, nor even independent proof of Muhammad’s claim of his inspiration. Although Muhammad obviously had a rather thorough knowledge of the Bible, many of his remembered facts were in error.
The Qur’an calls itself the ‘mother of books,’ Sura 43:3. Sura 2:23 and 10:37-38 challenges anyone to find any book better.
Qur’an claims that Allah inspired the Old and New Testaments, however it then contradicts within itself the fundamental stories contained in the Bible.
And finally the Qur’an claims to have been written in perfect Arabic, Sura 12:2, 13:37, 41:41,44, however it is filled, within its original documents, non-Arabic words and many grammatical errors (Morey, pgs 117-120).
The Qur’an claims that it is the word-for-word copy of that which is in heaven, Sura 85:21-22.
If indeed its words did come from Allah then Allah could not have made so many errors if he were in fact, God.
Through the centuries, Christians have questioned, examined, tested, and proven the scriptures of the Bible. In Islam even to question is a form of blasphemy, removing one from a chance at heaven.
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Flaws of Islam
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Islam is the second largest belief in the world. Second only to Christianity, Islam claims approximately one to one-and-a-half billion followers.
Islam is the correct name for the religion, as Muslim is the correct name for the person who follows Islam.
In the seventh century A.D., the prophet Muhammad claimed that God (Allah) revealed to him through the angel Gabriel, the words of Islam.
The name of Islam, means ‘to submit’ to Allah’s will.
The book of Islam is called the Qur’an.
Among the many differences between Christianity and Islam, is found in the respective attitudes demonstrated toward criticisms. Where Christians are taught to be tolerant and respect the ideas and criticisms of others, Muslims take criticisms of Islam as disrespectful and they can be extremely intolerant even to the point of violent towards any who criticize them.
Islam was founded by an Arabian named Muhammad who lived between 570 and 632 A.D. Born in Mecca he claimed to have received divine revelations from God through Gabriel in 610 A.D. These revelations were told to others who wrote them down in the book called Qur’an. Muhammad was illiterate and could neither read nor write.
There are two principle views in Islam. First there is the view of the Sunni’s and second the view of the Shi’ites. The Sunni view is by far the more dominant view, approximately 90%. There are also Muslim mystics called Sufis, and more recently an American movement called Black Muslims.
Islam holds six basic beliefs.
First, Allah is the one true God.
Second, Angels exist.
Third, the Qur’an was the last and final book of a long series of books revealed by God (including the Old and New Testaments).
Fourth, God sent 124,000 prophets to mankind. The six principle prophets are Adam (the chosen of Allah), Noah (the preacher of Allah), Abraham (the friend of Allah), Moses (the speaker of Allah), Jesus (the word of Allah), and Muhammad (the apostle of Allah). Muhammad is considered the greatest of all the prophets.
Fifth, Islam teaches in predestination, and that everything that happens, both good and evil, is the will of Allah.
Sixth, there will be a day of judgment. In that day, all of the deeds of men will be placed on a scale. Those who have sufficient personal merit will go into heaven and those who do not will go into eternal hell.
Note one thing here. Christianity looks to Gods work and mans faith in Jesus Christ, for eternal salvation, while Islam looks to mans individual effort for eternal life.
Islam calls for six fundamental practices.
First, reciting the creed of Islam, ‘There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.’
Second, to pray five times daily in certain prescribed postures.
Third, to observe a month of fasting called Ramadan.
Fourth, to give alms to the poor.
Fifth, to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, at least once in their lifetime.
Sixth, to obey the call to jihad.
Now these are the basics of Islam. The problem arises in that Islam states that the Bible is its fundamental initial source document, and that therein causes many flaws in Islam to come to the surface.
Islam claims only one God, one person. The Bible claims one God but three persons in the Godhead (Father, Son, and Spirit), Matt. 28:19, John 1:1, 14, Acts 5:3-4, Gen. 1. The word for Elohim, in the Bible is plural.
Qur’an Sura 5:116 states that the Trinity is the Father, Mother (Mary), and Son, and that this is derogatory toward Allah.
Qur’an Sura 43:59 states that Jesus is mortal and nothing more.
Sura 19:20,34 states that Jesus himself denied that he was God, but was only a messenger of Allah.
Of course these are never recorded in the Bible, which Islam claims is the foundation of the Qur’an.
Jesus claimed to be God, in the Bible, and was thus indicted for His crucifixion, however, Islam claims that Jesus claimed otherwise. Thus a contradiction between the two. Note quickly that the gospels were written 600 years before the Qur’an.
Islam has no means of salvation other than it is achieved through obedience to the teachings Allah. In other words, man has to earn his salvation.
In Christianity, one has only to believe in Christ and salvation is obtained. Works are never an issue.
Islam claims that the Qur’an is the literal Word of God and is perfect and without error.
However ……
If the Bible is the foundation uncorrupted, of the Qur’an, then the following are just the beginning of the inconsistencies between the two.
Qur’an - one God, one person; Bible - one God, three persons.
Qur’an - Jesus was a prophet but only a man; Bible - Jesus is God incarnate.
Qur’an - Salvation is by works, salvation is uncertain; Bible - Salvation is by grace through faith and is assured.
Qur’an - contains historical corruptions; Bible - contains no corruptions and has been proven accurate throughout history.
Since it is generally agreed that God cannot inspire errors, then any and all revelations must be accurate, otherwise God would not be God if He made mistakes.
Errors within the Qur’an.
Qur’an states that the Ark of Noah came to rest on the Mt. Judi (Sura 11:44); Bible states Mt. Ararat.
Qur’an states that Abrahams father was Azar (Sura 6:74); Bible states that his father was Terah.
Qur’an claims that Abraham attempted to sacrifice Ishmael (Sura 37:100-112); Bible claims Isaac was the son placed on the sacrificial alter.
Qur’an claims that it was Pharoah’s wife who adopted Moses (Sura 28:8-9); Bible states it was Pharaoh’s daughter who adopted Moses.
Qur’an claims that the flood of Noah occurred in Moses’ day (Sura 7:136, 7:59); Bible claims the Flood occurred many centuries earlier.
Qur’an claims that Mary had Jesus under a palm tree (Sura 19:22); Bible claims the Jesus was born in a stable.
Qur’an claims that Muhammad was described in the Bible (Sura 7:157); Bible has no reference to Mohammad.
The Qur’an mentions many episodes in the Bible, however it adds or confuses many of the facts.
Qur’an claims that the Jews returned to Egypt after the Exodus (Sura 2:56-57:61); Bible calls them Israelites, the term Jew did not occur until many centuries later, and they did not return to Egypt.
Qur’an claims that Zechariah would be speechless for three days (Sura 3:41); Bible states that he lost his voice for nine months and regained it when John the Baptist was born.
Qur’an gives the story of Joseph (Sura 12:11-20), which is totally different than the story written in the Bible, Gen. 37.
Qur’an confuses the two men Saul and Gideon (Sura 2:241) when compared to the Bible.
Qur’an tells a totally different story when compared to Gen. 37-45 (Sura 12:21-32, 36-55.
Qur’an teaches that one of Noah’s sons did not enter the Ark (Sura 11), then states that all of Noah’s family entered into the Ark (Sura 21), compare with the Bible in Gen. 6-7.
Qur’an has within it conflicting accounts of Muhammad’s call to be a prophet, Sura 52:2-18, 81:19-24, Sura 16:102, 26:192-94, Sura 15:18, 2:97.
Qur’an teaches that it took God eight days to create the world (Sura 41:9-12), where Sura 7:51, 10:3, and 11:6 claim that it took him only six days.
The Qur’an challenges men to find contradictions in the Qur’an (Sura 4:84)
The Bible has been challenged and proven accurate and is independently verified by prophecy, archaeology, manuscript evidence and so forth. The Qur’an has none of these verifications, nor even independent proof of Muhammad’s claim of his inspiration. Although Muhammad obviously had a rather thorough knowledge of the Bible, many of his remembered facts were in error.
The Qur’an calls itself the ‘mother of books,’ Sura 43:3. Sura 2:23 and 10:37-38 challenges anyone to find any book better.
Qur’an claims that Allah inspired the Old and New Testaments, however it then contradicts within itself the fundamental stories contained in the Bible.
And finally the Qur’an claims to have been written in perfect Arabic, Sura 12:2, 13:37, 41:41,44, however it is filled, within its original documents, non-Arabic words and many grammatical errors (Morey, pgs 117-120).
The Qur’an claims that it is the word-for-word copy of that which is in heaven, Sura 85:21-22.
If indeed its words did come from Allah then Allah could not have made so many errors if he were in fact, God.
Through the centuries, Christians have questioned, examined, tested, and proven the scriptures of the Bible. In Islam even to question is a form of blasphemy, removing one from a chance at heaven.
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Thursday, October 29, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:12
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12 That [hina] they all [pas] might be damned [krino] who [ho] believed [pisteuo] not [me] the truth, [aletheia] but [alla] had pleasure [eudokeo] in [en] unrighteousness. [adikia] KJV-Interlinear
12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. NASB
Too often people will argue or reject what the Bible teaches. When we studied the other day, that there are only two views in this world – Gods, and everything else, and that Gods view was truth and everything else is a lie, that brings the adversaries out of the shadows in protest, as they believe that there are many forms of truth. That is of course their delusion, which we just studied.
But now here we are in our current verse.
When truth is rejected, then everything else is embraced. Now I ask, if truth is rejected, then what is left?
When truth is accepted, then we have a perfect world, but of course our world is far from perfect, so what does that tell you? Truth is rejected on a scale greater than any of us can comprehend.
Unfortunately, most folks do not believe that they are in rejection of truth, they just have a different perspective on life, than that which God teaches. So in their minds, there is nothing wrong with their beliefs.
However we have already been studying the repercussions of a world that has gone negative toward truth. In time our dispensation, at its end, will become the most apostate generation since the time of Noah. And then after the Rapture, things will just get worse. In fact, in the next seven years following the Rapture, that period called the Tribulation, will see humanity drive itself to near extinction. That is the ultimate result when truth is rejected.
Truth is good, and anything else is corrupt and leads to worse corruption. The delusion is that people will refuse to see it.
When truth is accepted, then people pursue all things good and honorable and right.
When truth is rejected, then people pursue all things that are wicked. From the little white lie, to gossip, to alternate lifestyles, to tyranny and everything in between, whether they seem harmless of are extremely harmful, all things of sin or rejection of truth, are corruption. And corruption leads to putridness, and that is nothing more than a maggot infestation of rot in the souls of spiritually negative people.
Spiritual growth leads to orientation to life, leads to maturity, leads to responsibility, leads to independence from the untruths promoted by this world. Spiritual growth provides you with the only true freedom and autonomy that is available to ones life. And though we say we are slaves to Christ, spiritual maturity in Christ leads to true freedom, prosperity and happiness.
Those who believe that they are free because of their progressive or liberal thinking, are in fact slaves to the world, which has trapped them into losing their life and future.
Truth leads to freedom and liberty and opportunity and prosperity.
Rejection of truth leads to bias and prejudice, and unfairness, and lying, and cheating and double standards, and exceptions, and favoritism, and poverty, and loss of opportunity and destruction.
That is why those who reject truth are so dangerous to the world. Their views result is everyone's loss and suffering. Truth never causes suffering. Therefore those who choose lies, are violating the very freedom principles of life, which steals from everyone, and for that they are tried (their life long sequence of decisions is the evidence against them), convicted (the sum total result of their chosen lifestyle), and judged (God has all of the facts).
No one has any excuse. Everyone has knowledge of God and yet they still choose wickedness. This choice is a conscious decision against truth.
Rom. 1:18
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, NASB
Rom. 1:19
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. NASB
Rom. 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. NASB
Rom. 1:21
21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. NASB
Rom. 1:22-23
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, NASB
These are some other related verses. Rom. 1:24-28, Gen. 6:3, Judg. 10:13; 2 Chron. 15:2, 24:20, Matt 15:14, Acts 7:38-42, 14:16.
When people continue to reject God, Christ, doctrine and their spiritual life, then God will, sooner or later, abandon them, and let them slip away, to their own darkness of soul.
Rom. 1:24
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. NASB
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12 That [hina] they all [pas] might be damned [krino] who [ho] believed [pisteuo] not [me] the truth, [aletheia] but [alla] had pleasure [eudokeo] in [en] unrighteousness. [adikia] KJV-Interlinear
12 in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness. NASB
Too often people will argue or reject what the Bible teaches. When we studied the other day, that there are only two views in this world – Gods, and everything else, and that Gods view was truth and everything else is a lie, that brings the adversaries out of the shadows in protest, as they believe that there are many forms of truth. That is of course their delusion, which we just studied.
But now here we are in our current verse.
When truth is rejected, then everything else is embraced. Now I ask, if truth is rejected, then what is left?
When truth is accepted, then we have a perfect world, but of course our world is far from perfect, so what does that tell you? Truth is rejected on a scale greater than any of us can comprehend.
Unfortunately, most folks do not believe that they are in rejection of truth, they just have a different perspective on life, than that which God teaches. So in their minds, there is nothing wrong with their beliefs.
However we have already been studying the repercussions of a world that has gone negative toward truth. In time our dispensation, at its end, will become the most apostate generation since the time of Noah. And then after the Rapture, things will just get worse. In fact, in the next seven years following the Rapture, that period called the Tribulation, will see humanity drive itself to near extinction. That is the ultimate result when truth is rejected.
Truth is good, and anything else is corrupt and leads to worse corruption. The delusion is that people will refuse to see it.
When truth is accepted, then people pursue all things good and honorable and right.
When truth is rejected, then people pursue all things that are wicked. From the little white lie, to gossip, to alternate lifestyles, to tyranny and everything in between, whether they seem harmless of are extremely harmful, all things of sin or rejection of truth, are corruption. And corruption leads to putridness, and that is nothing more than a maggot infestation of rot in the souls of spiritually negative people.
Spiritual growth leads to orientation to life, leads to maturity, leads to responsibility, leads to independence from the untruths promoted by this world. Spiritual growth provides you with the only true freedom and autonomy that is available to ones life. And though we say we are slaves to Christ, spiritual maturity in Christ leads to true freedom, prosperity and happiness.
Those who believe that they are free because of their progressive or liberal thinking, are in fact slaves to the world, which has trapped them into losing their life and future.
Truth leads to freedom and liberty and opportunity and prosperity.
Rejection of truth leads to bias and prejudice, and unfairness, and lying, and cheating and double standards, and exceptions, and favoritism, and poverty, and loss of opportunity and destruction.
That is why those who reject truth are so dangerous to the world. Their views result is everyone's loss and suffering. Truth never causes suffering. Therefore those who choose lies, are violating the very freedom principles of life, which steals from everyone, and for that they are tried (their life long sequence of decisions is the evidence against them), convicted (the sum total result of their chosen lifestyle), and judged (God has all of the facts).
No one has any excuse. Everyone has knowledge of God and yet they still choose wickedness. This choice is a conscious decision against truth.
Rom. 1:18
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, NASB
Rom. 1:19
19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. NASB
Rom. 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. NASB
Rom. 1:21
21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. NASB
Rom. 1:22-23
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, NASB
These are some other related verses. Rom. 1:24-28, Gen. 6:3, Judg. 10:13; 2 Chron. 15:2, 24:20, Matt 15:14, Acts 7:38-42, 14:16.
When people continue to reject God, Christ, doctrine and their spiritual life, then God will, sooner or later, abandon them, and let them slip away, to their own darkness of soul.
Rom. 1:24
24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, that their bodies might be dishonored among them. NASB
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2 Thessalonians 2
Wednesday, October 28, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:11
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11 And [kai] for this [touto] cause [dia] God [theos] shall send [pempo] them [autos] strong [energeia] delusion, [plane] that [eis] they [autos] should believe [pisteuo] a lie: [pseudos] KJV-Interlinear
11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, NASB
There are only two views in existence – Gods truth, and everything else. There is only one truth, and everything else is a lie.
Why is that? Because in everything else, people misinterpret or misapply the meaning, and misuse the facts that are before them.
That is why we have so many religions, so many philosophies, so many beliefs, and so many attitudes in existence in this world. People who adopt them for their own beliefs are adopting lies, and therein is your strong delusion.
The power of non-truth is tremendous, but it gains its power only because people allow it to have power over their lives.
Bible doctrine is like a light in ones soul. It shines and lets you see what is really around you. If you do not have Bible doctrine in your soul, then you cannot see, because you are living your life in the dark. And that means an absolute darkness in which there is no light. Not even so much as the light from a candle, not even so much as the light from a distant star on a very dark night. Zero light, in which you cannot even see your hand when held in front of your nose. Total blackness of sight.
That is strong delusion.
And how is it allowed to affect people? Because they reject, they refuse, to allow the light of the Word of God into their soul.
They see with their eyes. They see the world around them. They see their school and work and social activities. But that is not really seeing. It is the delusion of sight without seeing the ultimate repercussion of the thoughts in your life, on your life.
With strong delusion comes absurd ideas. For example, vast forests, vast coal deposits, vast reservoirs of oil, vast wealth, vast prosperity through liberty, even common sense, and similar concepts such as these, are rejected, even though God created them all, gave them all to us for our use.
Instead people embrace socialism, isolationism, pursuit of resources that do not exist, restriction of production in order to get more, ancestry from mush, and similar concepts like these which are absolutely absurd. This is the strong delusion into which God allows people to fall.
Why? Because, God is a gentleman. God does not intimidate people into thinking His way, but gives everyone the freedom to make up their own minds, even if their own decisions are wrong.
People walk out into the dark jungle of life, thinking that they are safe.
They are not.
Your life is the sum total of the decisions you make during your life. If you allow darkness into your life, then you go your way, totally lost. And you mock and laugh at everyone else.
If you bring light (Bible doctrine) into your soul, then you can see everything clearly. And more important, you can see that your life, now, is only the very beginning of an eternal existence, for which God has given you but a moment to prepare for. Your lifespan, whether it be a few years or several decades, in the timeline of eternity, is but a moment, or a blink on that timeline.
Why make bad decisions that will ruin your forever, when you can make good decisions that will guarantee you a life in eternity, and even now, that will be far beyond your dreams and desires and imaginations?
Col 1:5
5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel, NASB
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. NASB
John 1:17
17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. NASB
Eph 4:21
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, NASB
Bible doctrine is truth. You must learn it before you can possess it. You must study it by means of a disciplined study approach, before you can learn it.
‘Study to show thyself approved [mature] unto God.’
There is only one way to grow up to spiritual maturity, and that is through a daily study of the Word of God. There are no shortcuts.
The sum total of your life does not come to you until you learn doctrine and advance to spiritual maturity. But like so many things in life, you won’t know what you have, until you have it, or until you lose it. And never knowing a better life should not even be a consideration. Only a negative attitude toward God, Christ, doctrine and your spiritual life can prevent you from a better life. In short, you are only barrier to something better for yourself.
The world will throw many obstacles at you, but with doctrine in your soul, then you have God to help you around them.
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11 And [kai] for this [touto] cause [dia] God [theos] shall send [pempo] them [autos] strong [energeia] delusion, [plane] that [eis] they [autos] should believe [pisteuo] a lie: [pseudos] KJV-Interlinear
11 And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they might believe what is false, NASB
There are only two views in existence – Gods truth, and everything else. There is only one truth, and everything else is a lie.
Why is that? Because in everything else, people misinterpret or misapply the meaning, and misuse the facts that are before them.
That is why we have so many religions, so many philosophies, so many beliefs, and so many attitudes in existence in this world. People who adopt them for their own beliefs are adopting lies, and therein is your strong delusion.
The power of non-truth is tremendous, but it gains its power only because people allow it to have power over their lives.
Bible doctrine is like a light in ones soul. It shines and lets you see what is really around you. If you do not have Bible doctrine in your soul, then you cannot see, because you are living your life in the dark. And that means an absolute darkness in which there is no light. Not even so much as the light from a candle, not even so much as the light from a distant star on a very dark night. Zero light, in which you cannot even see your hand when held in front of your nose. Total blackness of sight.
That is strong delusion.
And how is it allowed to affect people? Because they reject, they refuse, to allow the light of the Word of God into their soul.
They see with their eyes. They see the world around them. They see their school and work and social activities. But that is not really seeing. It is the delusion of sight without seeing the ultimate repercussion of the thoughts in your life, on your life.
With strong delusion comes absurd ideas. For example, vast forests, vast coal deposits, vast reservoirs of oil, vast wealth, vast prosperity through liberty, even common sense, and similar concepts such as these, are rejected, even though God created them all, gave them all to us for our use.
Instead people embrace socialism, isolationism, pursuit of resources that do not exist, restriction of production in order to get more, ancestry from mush, and similar concepts like these which are absolutely absurd. This is the strong delusion into which God allows people to fall.
Why? Because, God is a gentleman. God does not intimidate people into thinking His way, but gives everyone the freedom to make up their own minds, even if their own decisions are wrong.
People walk out into the dark jungle of life, thinking that they are safe.
They are not.
Your life is the sum total of the decisions you make during your life. If you allow darkness into your life, then you go your way, totally lost. And you mock and laugh at everyone else.
If you bring light (Bible doctrine) into your soul, then you can see everything clearly. And more important, you can see that your life, now, is only the very beginning of an eternal existence, for which God has given you but a moment to prepare for. Your lifespan, whether it be a few years or several decades, in the timeline of eternity, is but a moment, or a blink on that timeline.
Why make bad decisions that will ruin your forever, when you can make good decisions that will guarantee you a life in eternity, and even now, that will be far beyond your dreams and desires and imaginations?
Col 1:5
5 because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel, NASB
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. NASB
John 1:17
17 For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. NASB
Eph 4:21
21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, NASB
Bible doctrine is truth. You must learn it before you can possess it. You must study it by means of a disciplined study approach, before you can learn it.
‘Study to show thyself approved [mature] unto God.’
There is only one way to grow up to spiritual maturity, and that is through a daily study of the Word of God. There are no shortcuts.
The sum total of your life does not come to you until you learn doctrine and advance to spiritual maturity. But like so many things in life, you won’t know what you have, until you have it, or until you lose it. And never knowing a better life should not even be a consideration. Only a negative attitude toward God, Christ, doctrine and your spiritual life can prevent you from a better life. In short, you are only barrier to something better for yourself.
The world will throw many obstacles at you, but with doctrine in your soul, then you have God to help you around them.
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2 Thessalonians 2
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:10b
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10 And [kai] with [en] all [pas] deceivableness [apate] of unrighteousness [adikia] in [en] them that perish; [apollumi] because [anti] [hos] they received [dechomai] not [ou] the love [agape] of the truth, [aletheia] that [eis] they [autos] might be saved. [sozo] KJV-Interlinear
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. NASB
Who is going to perish during the Tribulation? Both believers and unbelievers. Who is going to be the target of Gods wrath during the Tribulation? Both believers and unbelievers.
But, you say, why will believers be on the receiving end of Gods wrath during this terrible time? And that answer is, that just because you have believed in Christ, does not mean that you will grow up in your spiritual life.
There are far more spiritually negative believers than spiritually positive believers, in this world. Why? Because there are believers who simply are not interested in doctrine, with regard to a daily, or any type of repetitive study.
And though they are no longer unbelievers, they continue imitating unbelievers with respect to their thoughts and attitudes, and so forth.
There are only two sources of information in this world – truth and lies. God is truth. Everything else is a lie.
It is really just that simple.
Unbelievers reject truth and even more, they reject the source of truth, and they reject the image of truth, God and Jesus Christ. They live in their lies. And they do it by choice.
We studied recently that people have a certain foundation of intuition within them. People can know and reason what is good and what is evil. However, people, when left to their own devices, will reject truth and choose evil.
How do we know this? The last part of this verse tells us, that they who are deceived, are deceived because they did not receive truth. And more than that, they did not receive the love, ‘agape.’
What is that? ‘Agape’ is the sum total of the principles mandates, teachings, instructions, in other words, the content of the scriptures. ‘Agape’ is not an emotional attachment, not a hug and a kiss, not related to emotion or feelings in any way. ‘Agape’ means the instruction, or the content of instruction.
That means that those folks who are deceived, are deceived because they have no truth in them. Truth being the information, and love being the instruction.
They did not study, did not learn, and therefore did not have an understanding or better stated, they did not have any frame of reference, they did not have any discernment in life.
And they did this by choice.
Not that they could not have learned, for all people have the opportunity to learn. Unbelievers simply choose to not learn. It is a conscious effort at rejection.
Likewise, believers who have been saved, somewhere along the line lose their interest. Or they simply get lazy.
After all, participating in a daily study means that you have to read or listen, or far worse, you have to think!!!
Wouldn’t it be more fun is we could all just share, or sing, or shout out glory and hallelujah and praise God. But these emotional bursts do not teach. Emotion is not a learning mechanism, it is a response mechanism for appreciation of something that you like or enjoy.
But the actual learning of doctrine, requires concentration and a disciplined academic environment, and more than that, it requires a serious commitment to ones spiritual life.
And why are there those who are deceived? Well first, because they want to be deceived, although they do not think of themselves as being deceived. They simply want the easy way. And second, because there are those who will not teach or communicate properly. And more than that, there are those who intentionally withhold instruction or truth, because they want their followers to be dependent on them.
The anti-christ will deceive as never before in history. People, whether believer or unbeliever, in those days, will fall into his deceptions, simply because they have no truth within them. Unbelievers lack the gospel, and believers lack doctrinal knowledge. Unbelievers lack salvation, and believers do not advance in their spiritual lives.
And why? Because they do not desire truth, and they reject anyone around them that is providing it.
They prefer the lies of the world over the truths of God. And this preference is a conscious choice for lies, over truth.
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10 And [kai] with [en] all [pas] deceivableness [apate] of unrighteousness [adikia] in [en] them that perish; [apollumi] because [anti] [hos] they received [dechomai] not [ou] the love [agape] of the truth, [aletheia] that [eis] they [autos] might be saved. [sozo] KJV-Interlinear
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. NASB
Who is going to perish during the Tribulation? Both believers and unbelievers. Who is going to be the target of Gods wrath during the Tribulation? Both believers and unbelievers.
But, you say, why will believers be on the receiving end of Gods wrath during this terrible time? And that answer is, that just because you have believed in Christ, does not mean that you will grow up in your spiritual life.
There are far more spiritually negative believers than spiritually positive believers, in this world. Why? Because there are believers who simply are not interested in doctrine, with regard to a daily, or any type of repetitive study.
And though they are no longer unbelievers, they continue imitating unbelievers with respect to their thoughts and attitudes, and so forth.
There are only two sources of information in this world – truth and lies. God is truth. Everything else is a lie.
It is really just that simple.
Unbelievers reject truth and even more, they reject the source of truth, and they reject the image of truth, God and Jesus Christ. They live in their lies. And they do it by choice.
We studied recently that people have a certain foundation of intuition within them. People can know and reason what is good and what is evil. However, people, when left to their own devices, will reject truth and choose evil.
How do we know this? The last part of this verse tells us, that they who are deceived, are deceived because they did not receive truth. And more than that, they did not receive the love, ‘agape.’
What is that? ‘Agape’ is the sum total of the principles mandates, teachings, instructions, in other words, the content of the scriptures. ‘Agape’ is not an emotional attachment, not a hug and a kiss, not related to emotion or feelings in any way. ‘Agape’ means the instruction, or the content of instruction.
That means that those folks who are deceived, are deceived because they have no truth in them. Truth being the information, and love being the instruction.
They did not study, did not learn, and therefore did not have an understanding or better stated, they did not have any frame of reference, they did not have any discernment in life.
And they did this by choice.
Not that they could not have learned, for all people have the opportunity to learn. Unbelievers simply choose to not learn. It is a conscious effort at rejection.
Likewise, believers who have been saved, somewhere along the line lose their interest. Or they simply get lazy.
After all, participating in a daily study means that you have to read or listen, or far worse, you have to think!!!
Wouldn’t it be more fun is we could all just share, or sing, or shout out glory and hallelujah and praise God. But these emotional bursts do not teach. Emotion is not a learning mechanism, it is a response mechanism for appreciation of something that you like or enjoy.
But the actual learning of doctrine, requires concentration and a disciplined academic environment, and more than that, it requires a serious commitment to ones spiritual life.
And why are there those who are deceived? Well first, because they want to be deceived, although they do not think of themselves as being deceived. They simply want the easy way. And second, because there are those who will not teach or communicate properly. And more than that, there are those who intentionally withhold instruction or truth, because they want their followers to be dependent on them.
The anti-christ will deceive as never before in history. People, whether believer or unbeliever, in those days, will fall into his deceptions, simply because they have no truth within them. Unbelievers lack the gospel, and believers lack doctrinal knowledge. Unbelievers lack salvation, and believers do not advance in their spiritual lives.
And why? Because they do not desire truth, and they reject anyone around them that is providing it.
They prefer the lies of the world over the truths of God. And this preference is a conscious choice for lies, over truth.
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2 Thessalonians 2
Monday, October 26, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:10
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10 And [kai] with [en] all [pas] deceivableness [apate] of unrighteousness [adikia] in [en] them that perish; [apollumi] because [anti] [hos] they received [dechomai] not [ou] the love [agape] of the truth, [aletheia] that [eis] they [autos] might be saved. [sozo] KJV-Interlinear
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. NASB
The anti-christ is the absolute worst person who will ever live. But as we have already seen, who is behind his every move? Satan.
Satan is the father of lies. Everything that comes out of Satan is a lie. There is no truth whatsoever, in him.
John 8:44
44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies. NASB
We have already seen from our study of the other day, that the anti-christ is the son of destruction. It is in his nature.
However this verse is not just to teach us of the absolute evil of this evil man, but to teach us of what can and will transpire, when truth is excluded from yours or anyone's life.
The anti-christ will use all of the powers of deception, for that is the only strength that lies have, in order to claim the loyalty and following of the masses of people that will populate the earth, now or in that future time.
But even though people in that future time will be deceived, they will not be without excuse.
There are two parties in a deception. There is the deceiver and there is the deceived. Both are guilty of their mistakes.
The deceiver, does so with the intent of gaining control or power over those of whom he deceives. The deceived, acknowledge the deceit because they want something for nothing. Both are fooled because they lack truth.
Satan is the leader of lies. Those who follow him, are the disciples of lies. Those who follow the pattern of lies, regardless of where they come from, are the disciples of lies.
But how does planet earth get into this fix?
Because there are many, even now, who would prevent truth from getting to those who want it or need it. And everyone needs truth in order to survive.
Whether a national leader, or the administrator of a small group, or the citizens of a nation, whenever you attempt to isolate those for whom you are responsible, or attempt to control what your followers may have access to, or whether you prevent others from having freedom or opportunity, then you are practicing a degree of control which leads to evil.
If people do not have access to truth, then they do not have access to opportunity.
A generation that lacks truth, raises up a generation that knows nothing of truth. And they in turn raise up a generation who is apathetic toward truth, and they in turn raise up a generation who opposes truth.
You do not want to be in the chain of events that lead to this type of an outcome.
God placed people and nations on this earth to insure that everyone will have an opportunity for truth and therefore an opportunity to complete ones own life. God did not place people (including you) or nations on this earth so that you could make decisions for everyone else.
In the spiritual life, God gives everyone the opportunity to make their own decisions and to be free from the controls and abuses that this world offers.
Just a week or so ago, we studied the necessity of the believer for questioning everything. We learned that this questioning is not one of doubt, but of an objective search for truth, so that one could find it. God provides truth to any and all who seek it. In tomorrows study we will see why God withholds truth.
As our dispensation advances through the minutes, days, or years ahead of us, we know one thing for sure. And that is, that our dispensation will end with a great apostasy. That kind of worldwide attitude does not come into existence overnight, but takes the repeated bad decisions of the deceivers and the deceived, of the ones who would control, and of the ones who would be controlled.
This will all culminate in the worst generation and period of time in all of human history.
We have already seen that the anti-christ arises out of this quagmire of anti-God attitudes. Is it a wonder that when all believers are removed at the Rapture, that the anti-christ will so easily acquire power, and those who would be ruled, will so easily give up their freedom!
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10 And [kai] with [en] all [pas] deceivableness [apate] of unrighteousness [adikia] in [en] them that perish; [apollumi] because [anti] [hos] they received [dechomai] not [ou] the love [agape] of the truth, [aletheia] that [eis] they [autos] might be saved. [sozo] KJV-Interlinear
10 and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. NASB
The anti-christ is the absolute worst person who will ever live. But as we have already seen, who is behind his every move? Satan.
Satan is the father of lies. Everything that comes out of Satan is a lie. There is no truth whatsoever, in him.
John 8:44
44 "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature; for he is a liar, and the father of lies. NASB
We have already seen from our study of the other day, that the anti-christ is the son of destruction. It is in his nature.
However this verse is not just to teach us of the absolute evil of this evil man, but to teach us of what can and will transpire, when truth is excluded from yours or anyone's life.
The anti-christ will use all of the powers of deception, for that is the only strength that lies have, in order to claim the loyalty and following of the masses of people that will populate the earth, now or in that future time.
But even though people in that future time will be deceived, they will not be without excuse.
There are two parties in a deception. There is the deceiver and there is the deceived. Both are guilty of their mistakes.
The deceiver, does so with the intent of gaining control or power over those of whom he deceives. The deceived, acknowledge the deceit because they want something for nothing. Both are fooled because they lack truth.
Satan is the leader of lies. Those who follow him, are the disciples of lies. Those who follow the pattern of lies, regardless of where they come from, are the disciples of lies.
But how does planet earth get into this fix?
Because there are many, even now, who would prevent truth from getting to those who want it or need it. And everyone needs truth in order to survive.
Whether a national leader, or the administrator of a small group, or the citizens of a nation, whenever you attempt to isolate those for whom you are responsible, or attempt to control what your followers may have access to, or whether you prevent others from having freedom or opportunity, then you are practicing a degree of control which leads to evil.
If people do not have access to truth, then they do not have access to opportunity.
A generation that lacks truth, raises up a generation that knows nothing of truth. And they in turn raise up a generation who is apathetic toward truth, and they in turn raise up a generation who opposes truth.
You do not want to be in the chain of events that lead to this type of an outcome.
God placed people and nations on this earth to insure that everyone will have an opportunity for truth and therefore an opportunity to complete ones own life. God did not place people (including you) or nations on this earth so that you could make decisions for everyone else.
In the spiritual life, God gives everyone the opportunity to make their own decisions and to be free from the controls and abuses that this world offers.
Just a week or so ago, we studied the necessity of the believer for questioning everything. We learned that this questioning is not one of doubt, but of an objective search for truth, so that one could find it. God provides truth to any and all who seek it. In tomorrows study we will see why God withholds truth.
As our dispensation advances through the minutes, days, or years ahead of us, we know one thing for sure. And that is, that our dispensation will end with a great apostasy. That kind of worldwide attitude does not come into existence overnight, but takes the repeated bad decisions of the deceivers and the deceived, of the ones who would control, and of the ones who would be controlled.
This will all culminate in the worst generation and period of time in all of human history.
We have already seen that the anti-christ arises out of this quagmire of anti-God attitudes. Is it a wonder that when all believers are removed at the Rapture, that the anti-christ will so easily acquire power, and those who would be ruled, will so easily give up their freedom!
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Sunday, October 25, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:9
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9 Even him, whose [hos] coming [parousia] is [esti] after [kata] the working [energeia] of Satan [Satanas] with [en] all [pas] power [dunamis] and [kai] signs [semeion] and [kai] lying [pseudos] wonders, [teras] KJV-Interlinear
9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, NASB
We saw that the anti-christ’s reign is controlled by Christ. He seizes power when Christ removes believers at the Rapture, and he loses his reign when Christ returns at the Second Advent.
Here Paul teaches us that the anti-christ has even less control over his own life. His power on this earth is due to the activity of Satan, and not from himself.
The anti-christ is a mere man. He has great arrogance and great contempt for everyone, but were it not for Satan, he would have no ability whatsoever.
His power is that of evil, or acts of a supernatural origin. The signs that he performs, point to the man, himself, as people will be deluded into believing in his abilities. His wonders, point to the results of his actions.
And the word for false, does not refer to the acts themselves, but to the conclusions that people will reach when they see him in action.
The word for ‘working’ as in the working of Satan, or ‘energeia,’ refers to the one who actually performs the action.
Therefore, the anti-christ is a fraud through and through. His sign, as we have already studied in Revelation, ‘666’ is a tripling of the number of man. The tripling affect is for deity.
The anti-christ, who is a man, but resents all theology, all philosophy, all living things, has no real power, has no real accomplishments, can do nothing on his own, must rely on Satan, but presumes himself to be as good as, if not better than, God, whom he rejects. He is the quintessence of arrogance, incompetence, irresponsibility, and evil.
And when there is no restraint of evil, then when all things good are rejected, disaster and horrendous suffering are the only result.
Good results come only from the pursuit of truth. Bad results are the only possible results when truth is rejected.
Truth is rejected when anyone attempts to modify it, exclude it, compromise it, replace it, or reject it.
Everyone alive today, has but two choices in life. The first is to ignore all of this as nonsense, or adopt some other form of belief as your truth. Or second, to study the Bible with an open mind, adopt a position of a student without portfolio, and learn through persistence and patience, and do this for all of ones life.
The first position will get you nowhere in life, for one day your life will end, and your next appointment will be standing before Jesus.
The second position will gain you everything, once you learn that you are nothing more than a speck of dirt, and your entire life depends on the grace of God.
When you stand before Jesus, at some point in your future, will He smile on you, or shake His head in disgust with you?
You have an opportunity, now, to make your life into something phenomenal and beyond your imagination.
Most folks have dreams and they are really nothing more than wishes that will never come true.
However, the spiritually mature believer has dreams that one day, will not only come true, but he will live his dreams and more.
The anti-christ will seize his dreams with evil and with false pretenses, and will lose it all.
You as an advancing believer merely need to study the scriptures, grow up in your spiritual life, and in so doing maintain responsibility, and allow God to do all the work that will shape your life into something that you alone will never be able to achieve, ever.
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9 Even him, whose [hos] coming [parousia] is [esti] after [kata] the working [energeia] of Satan [Satanas] with [en] all [pas] power [dunamis] and [kai] signs [semeion] and [kai] lying [pseudos] wonders, [teras] KJV-Interlinear
9 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, NASB
We saw that the anti-christ’s reign is controlled by Christ. He seizes power when Christ removes believers at the Rapture, and he loses his reign when Christ returns at the Second Advent.
Here Paul teaches us that the anti-christ has even less control over his own life. His power on this earth is due to the activity of Satan, and not from himself.
The anti-christ is a mere man. He has great arrogance and great contempt for everyone, but were it not for Satan, he would have no ability whatsoever.
His power is that of evil, or acts of a supernatural origin. The signs that he performs, point to the man, himself, as people will be deluded into believing in his abilities. His wonders, point to the results of his actions.
And the word for false, does not refer to the acts themselves, but to the conclusions that people will reach when they see him in action.
The word for ‘working’ as in the working of Satan, or ‘energeia,’ refers to the one who actually performs the action.
Therefore, the anti-christ is a fraud through and through. His sign, as we have already studied in Revelation, ‘666’ is a tripling of the number of man. The tripling affect is for deity.
The anti-christ, who is a man, but resents all theology, all philosophy, all living things, has no real power, has no real accomplishments, can do nothing on his own, must rely on Satan, but presumes himself to be as good as, if not better than, God, whom he rejects. He is the quintessence of arrogance, incompetence, irresponsibility, and evil.
And when there is no restraint of evil, then when all things good are rejected, disaster and horrendous suffering are the only result.
Good results come only from the pursuit of truth. Bad results are the only possible results when truth is rejected.
Truth is rejected when anyone attempts to modify it, exclude it, compromise it, replace it, or reject it.
Everyone alive today, has but two choices in life. The first is to ignore all of this as nonsense, or adopt some other form of belief as your truth. Or second, to study the Bible with an open mind, adopt a position of a student without portfolio, and learn through persistence and patience, and do this for all of ones life.
The first position will get you nowhere in life, for one day your life will end, and your next appointment will be standing before Jesus.
The second position will gain you everything, once you learn that you are nothing more than a speck of dirt, and your entire life depends on the grace of God.
When you stand before Jesus, at some point in your future, will He smile on you, or shake His head in disgust with you?
You have an opportunity, now, to make your life into something phenomenal and beyond your imagination.
Most folks have dreams and they are really nothing more than wishes that will never come true.
However, the spiritually mature believer has dreams that one day, will not only come true, but he will live his dreams and more.
The anti-christ will seize his dreams with evil and with false pretenses, and will lose it all.
You as an advancing believer merely need to study the scriptures, grow up in your spiritual life, and in so doing maintain responsibility, and allow God to do all the work that will shape your life into something that you alone will never be able to achieve, ever.
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Saturday, October 24, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:8
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8 And [kai] then [tote] shall [apokalupto] that Wicked [anomos] be revealed, [apokalupto] whom [hos] the Lord [kurios] shall consume [analisko] with the spirit [pneuma] of his [autos] mouth, [stoma] and [kai] shall destroy [katargeo] with the brightness [epiphaneia] of his [autos] coming: [parousia] KJV-Interlinear
8 And then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; NASB
The reign of the anti-christ is totally controlled by Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ controls history. Whether the details have to do with your personal life or the larger scale of world history, is irrelevant. Jesus Christ controls history.
When the time of the Rapture arrives, as controlled by God the Father, and as we studied a week or so ago, three things will occur nearly simultaneously. You of course recall what those three events are!!! You might want to revisit 1 Thess. 4:16 for that study.
Immediately after the Rapture, the holds are off as far as Satan’s plan is concerned. Then the identity of the anti-christ is revealed and the Tribulation, that seven year period also known as Daniels seventieth week, begins.
Those last seven years are the resumption of, and the conclusion of, the dispensation of the Age of Israel, which our dispensation interrupted at the Feast of Pentecost, nearly 2000 years ago.
But just as his identity and rule begin in a moment of time, so also, his (the anti-christ’s) rule will end in a moment of time. Christ will control both.
There is however a seven year gap between the two events.
Christ will recall (Rapture) all believers to Himself with the power of His voice, and Christ will end the rule, life and empire of the anti-christ likewise with only the power of His voice at the Second Advent.
Who can stand before Christ? No one. The power of Gods voice far surpasses all of mans (or angels) weapons.
The most powerful and evil man in all of history will begin and end by the mere sound of Gods voice.
While people demonstrate their opposition of truth by means of embracing invented religions, alternate beliefs, philosophies, cults, and so forth, the anti-christ will weld contempt for anything of a philosophical or theological nature. He is a respecter of nothing and no one.
During the first half of the Tribulation, the first three and a half years, also called Satan’s Utopia, the anti-christ will attempt all manner of regulation and law, in order to regulate and control the world. It will fail. Gods judgments will begin at the outset of this period of time.
At the mid-point of the Tribulation, Satan will indwell the anti-christ and assume formal control over planet earth. The last half, the last three and a half years, of the Tribulation, also known as the Great Tribulation, will see the most horrible events ever in history. Satan will grow more and more frustrated as Gods judgments increase dramatically.
The seven seals, the seven trumpets, the seven bowls of Revelation, do not represent the escalation or sequence of events, but they represent the record of what is to come (the writings of the scrolls – thus far sealed and reserved for that future time), the warnings or announcements (trumpets declare the arrival of important matters or events), and then the actual events (the bowls actually poured out upon an indifferent people).
The multiplication of all of these things by seven, simply means that everyone has no excuse for their conscious rejection of God, Christ, doctrine, and truth.
It will apply to those folks who will have to live through the Tribulation, and it certainly applies to you, right now.
You have no excuse for not advancing in your spiritual life to spiritual maturity.
With His breath, the Lord will slay, ‘analisko,’ which means to bring to an end. In other words, ‘You’re fired!’
But worse than that, the anti-christ’s rule, his power, his organization, will all come to an end, and he will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, while yet alive.
Other related verses - Dan 7:26, Dan 11:45, Isa 11:4, Isa 30:33, Topheth means The valley of Slaughter, the place of burning, Rev. 1:16, 2:16, Rev. 17:11, Rev 19:20, 19:15,21.
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8 And [kai] then [tote] shall [apokalupto] that Wicked [anomos] be revealed, [apokalupto] whom [hos] the Lord [kurios] shall consume [analisko] with the spirit [pneuma] of his [autos] mouth, [stoma] and [kai] shall destroy [katargeo] with the brightness [epiphaneia] of his [autos] coming: [parousia] KJV-Interlinear
8 And then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming; NASB
The reign of the anti-christ is totally controlled by Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ controls history. Whether the details have to do with your personal life or the larger scale of world history, is irrelevant. Jesus Christ controls history.
When the time of the Rapture arrives, as controlled by God the Father, and as we studied a week or so ago, three things will occur nearly simultaneously. You of course recall what those three events are!!! You might want to revisit 1 Thess. 4:16 for that study.
Immediately after the Rapture, the holds are off as far as Satan’s plan is concerned. Then the identity of the anti-christ is revealed and the Tribulation, that seven year period also known as Daniels seventieth week, begins.
Those last seven years are the resumption of, and the conclusion of, the dispensation of the Age of Israel, which our dispensation interrupted at the Feast of Pentecost, nearly 2000 years ago.
But just as his identity and rule begin in a moment of time, so also, his (the anti-christ’s) rule will end in a moment of time. Christ will control both.
There is however a seven year gap between the two events.
Christ will recall (Rapture) all believers to Himself with the power of His voice, and Christ will end the rule, life and empire of the anti-christ likewise with only the power of His voice at the Second Advent.
Who can stand before Christ? No one. The power of Gods voice far surpasses all of mans (or angels) weapons.
The most powerful and evil man in all of history will begin and end by the mere sound of Gods voice.
While people demonstrate their opposition of truth by means of embracing invented religions, alternate beliefs, philosophies, cults, and so forth, the anti-christ will weld contempt for anything of a philosophical or theological nature. He is a respecter of nothing and no one.
During the first half of the Tribulation, the first three and a half years, also called Satan’s Utopia, the anti-christ will attempt all manner of regulation and law, in order to regulate and control the world. It will fail. Gods judgments will begin at the outset of this period of time.
At the mid-point of the Tribulation, Satan will indwell the anti-christ and assume formal control over planet earth. The last half, the last three and a half years, of the Tribulation, also known as the Great Tribulation, will see the most horrible events ever in history. Satan will grow more and more frustrated as Gods judgments increase dramatically.
The seven seals, the seven trumpets, the seven bowls of Revelation, do not represent the escalation or sequence of events, but they represent the record of what is to come (the writings of the scrolls – thus far sealed and reserved for that future time), the warnings or announcements (trumpets declare the arrival of important matters or events), and then the actual events (the bowls actually poured out upon an indifferent people).
The multiplication of all of these things by seven, simply means that everyone has no excuse for their conscious rejection of God, Christ, doctrine, and truth.
It will apply to those folks who will have to live through the Tribulation, and it certainly applies to you, right now.
You have no excuse for not advancing in your spiritual life to spiritual maturity.
With His breath, the Lord will slay, ‘analisko,’ which means to bring to an end. In other words, ‘You’re fired!’
But worse than that, the anti-christ’s rule, his power, his organization, will all come to an end, and he will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, while yet alive.
Other related verses - Dan 7:26, Dan 11:45, Isa 11:4, Isa 30:33, Topheth means The valley of Slaughter, the place of burning, Rev. 1:16, 2:16, Rev. 17:11, Rev 19:20, 19:15,21.
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Friday, October 23, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:7
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7 For [gar] the mystery [musterion] of iniquity [anomia] doth [energeo] already [ede] work: [energeo] only [monon] he who now [arti] letteth [katecho] will let, until [heos] he be taken [ginomai] out of [ek] the way. [mesos] KJV-Interlinear
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. NASB
The word for mystery, ‘musterion,’ means something which was before now, unknown to all, a secret kept by someone who did not reveal the secret, therefore all who had no knowledge of it, were not even aware that the secret even existed.
For example, we all know about the atoms and molecules and distant galaxies and germs and so forth, but for centuries, even thousands of years, people knew nothing about these things. They existed all around them, but their secrets were not revealed until science began the long discovery process which reveals their existence.
This is of course an example of our temporal world. Within our temporal world, God has given us the tools to discover how it works. It just took humanity a long time to make the basic discoveries. And even now, in our high tech and rapid period of discovery, the more we learn, the more we realize that we do not know, the more questions are raised, thus perpetuating the search for more discoveries, and so forth.
And just as God placed a vast universe between heaven and earth, denoting the vast distance between knowledge and ability and wisdom and so forth, in order to demonstrate just how far apart man and God are in reality, so too, we now have an example of just how weak and naïve humanity is with regard to the truths that rule our current dispensation, even our contemporary times.
God has a plan. We call that plan the Divine Decrees. Within those Decrees, God set out all of the details of history. Your life, every detail of your life, is contained within those decrees. God looked down through the tunnel of time and saw every detail of history, regarding everything that is in existence, and then He recorded those details, thoughts, motivations, decisions, and events, and then He turned history loose.
If you were to record a movie or a game, and watched it, then you know the details of that recording. Then you rewind it and replay it. You can watch it all again, knowing everything that will be said, everything that will occur, and so forth. And you do not change anything, nor coerce anyone into doing what they do within that recording. You just know in advance what is going to happen. That is similar to the Divine Decrees. Only now we are living history of the first time. God does not change anything, nor do anything that would make us do whatever it is that we do.
But God does have one big advantage. He foreknows everything that is going to happen, and thus He can place anyone or anything into history in order to cause history to terminate in His desired result, namely good, and not evil. And His decisions as to when to place people into history, and when various things will occur, were made in eternity past, when He developed the Divine Decrees. God controls history.
God represents good. Satan represents evil. God is the only one who can control evil. And in this case, restrain it to such a degree that its full force cannot be unleashed into history, unless and until God allows it.
Man cannot control evil. Man cannot even control man. Angels cannot control evil. The angel Michael wrestled with Satan over the body of Moses, but the angel could not control evil. God is the only one who can control evil.
There are three members of the Godhead, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible tells us that the Father authored the divine plan, the Son executes the plan, and the Holy Spirit sustains that plan. But the Holy Spirit has yet another role to play in history, and that is one of restraint.
The anti-christ is under restraint by the Holy Spirit, John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13. John uses the masculine pronoun together with the neuter gender to describe this action of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit battled wickedness before the flood of Noah, ‘My Spirit will not strive with man forever …,’ Gen 6:3.
The Holy Spirit ‘convicts’ the world with regard to sin, Jn. 16:8.
The Holy Spirit is referenced when Israel was declared a ‘stiff-necked’ people resisting the Spirit, Acts 7:51.
In Rom. 1:18-20, 1:21-23, 1:24-25, 1:26-28, three statements are used (‘gave them up,’ ‘gave them over to’) to describe the removal of the restraint from evil man. Refer also to Psa. 81:11-12, Prov. 1:23-31, Hos. 4:17 for similar divine policy.
Likewise, since God has sent His Son, Satan would similarly desire to send his own personal representative such that he could then rule the world through him. But that representative is under current restraint.
And here we are taught that there are two levels of evil. The first level is that which is loose in the world today and has been for all of history. Here Paul calls it ‘lawlessness.’ This is the sin and corruption and tyranny and lawlessness, including human self-righteousness, that exists today. We have seen in history, many examples of just how bad this kind of lawlessness can get. From the gossips of social clubs to the radicals of terrorism, to the Hitlers and so forth, this world is not without its bad people.
But there is a level of evil, the likes of which this world has never seen, but one day, will see in all of its fury.
There have been books and movies and things that attempt to present the events of the Tribulation, but they generally romanticize the human aspects, the human endeavors, the human efforts to thwart that future evil. But none of them have ever come close to the real deal.
The restraint that exists today, is controlled by the Holy Spirit, preventing Satan from having his very own personal representative turned loose on the world. But even though that evil has been delayed, Satan, since the very first promise of a Savior, given to Adam, a long time ago, has been plotting his own pseudo-savior to counter the real one, Jesus Christ.
All of Satans plans are centered around his own plan of evil and his own last attempt to either rule the world, to cause God to make an error, or to destroy the world. And it is that last effort which will be the final effort of Satan, when all else fails.
When the time was right, God restored the world. When the time was right, God created Adam and Eve. When the time was right, God caused the flood to come in Noahs day. When the time was right, God brought the Savior into the world.
When the time is right ….. then God will release the restraint against evil, and that will occur at the Rapture.
Ours is said to be the Age of the Royal Family. Royalty has privilege and when the world is about to turn into total corruption, the Royal Family is removed so as not to see the carnage that is about to occur.
While the world presumes that it is going to solve mans problems, solve the environment, solve any warming or cooling, solve evil as it were, and bring in some new hope or utopia, Satan is working his plan, behind the scenes, unknown to humanity, to the best of his ability, that will turn the world upside down.
Your responsibility in all of this? Study each and every day. Grow up in your spiritual life, be responsible, and be ready, spiritually ready, for whatever God has in His plan for your life.
In the night sky we can see stars that we could never reach. We can look through telescopes so powerful that we can see to vast distances, that are most certainly beyond our reach. But we cannot see heaven, and most of humanity cannot see the plans of greater powers that are unfolding right before their eyes.
Don’t be one of those who are blind and sightless.
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7 For [gar] the mystery [musterion] of iniquity [anomia] doth [energeo] already [ede] work: [energeo] only [monon] he who now [arti] letteth [katecho] will let, until [heos] he be taken [ginomai] out of [ek] the way. [mesos] KJV-Interlinear
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. NASB
The word for mystery, ‘musterion,’ means something which was before now, unknown to all, a secret kept by someone who did not reveal the secret, therefore all who had no knowledge of it, were not even aware that the secret even existed.
For example, we all know about the atoms and molecules and distant galaxies and germs and so forth, but for centuries, even thousands of years, people knew nothing about these things. They existed all around them, but their secrets were not revealed until science began the long discovery process which reveals their existence.
This is of course an example of our temporal world. Within our temporal world, God has given us the tools to discover how it works. It just took humanity a long time to make the basic discoveries. And even now, in our high tech and rapid period of discovery, the more we learn, the more we realize that we do not know, the more questions are raised, thus perpetuating the search for more discoveries, and so forth.
And just as God placed a vast universe between heaven and earth, denoting the vast distance between knowledge and ability and wisdom and so forth, in order to demonstrate just how far apart man and God are in reality, so too, we now have an example of just how weak and naïve humanity is with regard to the truths that rule our current dispensation, even our contemporary times.
God has a plan. We call that plan the Divine Decrees. Within those Decrees, God set out all of the details of history. Your life, every detail of your life, is contained within those decrees. God looked down through the tunnel of time and saw every detail of history, regarding everything that is in existence, and then He recorded those details, thoughts, motivations, decisions, and events, and then He turned history loose.
If you were to record a movie or a game, and watched it, then you know the details of that recording. Then you rewind it and replay it. You can watch it all again, knowing everything that will be said, everything that will occur, and so forth. And you do not change anything, nor coerce anyone into doing what they do within that recording. You just know in advance what is going to happen. That is similar to the Divine Decrees. Only now we are living history of the first time. God does not change anything, nor do anything that would make us do whatever it is that we do.
But God does have one big advantage. He foreknows everything that is going to happen, and thus He can place anyone or anything into history in order to cause history to terminate in His desired result, namely good, and not evil. And His decisions as to when to place people into history, and when various things will occur, were made in eternity past, when He developed the Divine Decrees. God controls history.
God represents good. Satan represents evil. God is the only one who can control evil. And in this case, restrain it to such a degree that its full force cannot be unleashed into history, unless and until God allows it.
Man cannot control evil. Man cannot even control man. Angels cannot control evil. The angel Michael wrestled with Satan over the body of Moses, but the angel could not control evil. God is the only one who can control evil.
There are three members of the Godhead, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible tells us that the Father authored the divine plan, the Son executes the plan, and the Holy Spirit sustains that plan. But the Holy Spirit has yet another role to play in history, and that is one of restraint.
The anti-christ is under restraint by the Holy Spirit, John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13. John uses the masculine pronoun together with the neuter gender to describe this action of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit battled wickedness before the flood of Noah, ‘My Spirit will not strive with man forever …,’ Gen 6:3.
The Holy Spirit ‘convicts’ the world with regard to sin, Jn. 16:8.
The Holy Spirit is referenced when Israel was declared a ‘stiff-necked’ people resisting the Spirit, Acts 7:51.
In Rom. 1:18-20, 1:21-23, 1:24-25, 1:26-28, three statements are used (‘gave them up,’ ‘gave them over to’) to describe the removal of the restraint from evil man. Refer also to Psa. 81:11-12, Prov. 1:23-31, Hos. 4:17 for similar divine policy.
Likewise, since God has sent His Son, Satan would similarly desire to send his own personal representative such that he could then rule the world through him. But that representative is under current restraint.
And here we are taught that there are two levels of evil. The first level is that which is loose in the world today and has been for all of history. Here Paul calls it ‘lawlessness.’ This is the sin and corruption and tyranny and lawlessness, including human self-righteousness, that exists today. We have seen in history, many examples of just how bad this kind of lawlessness can get. From the gossips of social clubs to the radicals of terrorism, to the Hitlers and so forth, this world is not without its bad people.
But there is a level of evil, the likes of which this world has never seen, but one day, will see in all of its fury.
There have been books and movies and things that attempt to present the events of the Tribulation, but they generally romanticize the human aspects, the human endeavors, the human efforts to thwart that future evil. But none of them have ever come close to the real deal.
The restraint that exists today, is controlled by the Holy Spirit, preventing Satan from having his very own personal representative turned loose on the world. But even though that evil has been delayed, Satan, since the very first promise of a Savior, given to Adam, a long time ago, has been plotting his own pseudo-savior to counter the real one, Jesus Christ.
All of Satans plans are centered around his own plan of evil and his own last attempt to either rule the world, to cause God to make an error, or to destroy the world. And it is that last effort which will be the final effort of Satan, when all else fails.
When the time was right, God restored the world. When the time was right, God created Adam and Eve. When the time was right, God caused the flood to come in Noahs day. When the time was right, God brought the Savior into the world.
When the time is right ….. then God will release the restraint against evil, and that will occur at the Rapture.
Ours is said to be the Age of the Royal Family. Royalty has privilege and when the world is about to turn into total corruption, the Royal Family is removed so as not to see the carnage that is about to occur.
While the world presumes that it is going to solve mans problems, solve the environment, solve any warming or cooling, solve evil as it were, and bring in some new hope or utopia, Satan is working his plan, behind the scenes, unknown to humanity, to the best of his ability, that will turn the world upside down.
Your responsibility in all of this? Study each and every day. Grow up in your spiritual life, be responsible, and be ready, spiritually ready, for whatever God has in His plan for your life.
In the night sky we can see stars that we could never reach. We can look through telescopes so powerful that we can see to vast distances, that are most certainly beyond our reach. But we cannot see heaven, and most of humanity cannot see the plans of greater powers that are unfolding right before their eyes.
Don’t be one of those who are blind and sightless.
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Thursday, October 22, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:6
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6 And [kai] now [nun] ye know [eido] what withholdeth [katecho] that [eis] he [autos] might be revealed [apokalupto] in [en] his [heautou] time. [kairos] KJV-Interlinear
6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he may be revealed. NASB
What existed in Pauls day, that continues to exist in our day, and everyday throughout the history of our dispensation? Well, obviously people come and go from generation to generation, so we as people are not the restrainers of the evil one.
Organizations that existed back then, do not exist today, and likewise, organizations that exist today, did not exist back then. So, organizations are not the restraint of the evil one.
The only things that existed in both of our times, is God and Satan. The evil one is a person, but he has a normal lifespan as we all do. So even the anti-christ did not exist, nor has he existed for all of these centuries.
God is the restraint on evil. Satan is evil. God sent His Son into the world to save, and Satan likewise would like to have his chance as a personal representative, to do his own bidding. But that is not to be until the time is right.
God controls history.
Within our dispensation, the one sustaining life is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit indwells all believers, and the residence of the Holy Spirit in believers, is the principle restraint mechanism for the restraint of evil. And that restraint means that evil is prevented from being unleashed with total freedom of action.
There is evil in the world today, but it is under restraint. Evil is far worse when unrestrained. We live in a society that has a restraint on evil, that restraint provided by the Holy Spirit.
However, one day, the Holy Spirit will withdraw from this world, and along with Him, every believer in the world will be withdrawn as well. This is the Rapture event that we have been studying.
Our indwelling by the Holy Spirit is permanent and eternal. Therefore He cannot leave the world and leave believers behind. But there will come a day, when the Holy Spirit will be withdrawn, just as ambassadors are withdrawn when war is about to be declared. Therefore, that is the reason that the Rapture will occur, and that is the reason why believers will all leave this world instantaneously.
Likewise, and concurrent with that event, we will all be changed into our resurrection bodies, from corruptible to incorruptible.
This means that we as believers, from within our dispensation, will never know the identity of the anti-christ.
Guess all you want, but you will be wrong. Why?
Because God has chosen to not reveal his identity.
Who is he and when will he live? Well, we do not know who he is, but when the Rapture occurs, at that given moment, the anti-christ will already be alive, and we can presume that he will be a young charismatic man. Perhaps someone who is in his thirties or forties. The age is of course only speculation.
With only seven years remaining for the Tribulation to complete itself, and with the anti-christ assuming power immediately following the Rapture, then he has to be an adult, presumably with some political or military post or position which will allow him to seize power almost immediately.
This also means that he will be alive during the last years or decades of our dispensation, the Church Age.
If the Rapture were to occur today, then this person is alive and out there somewhere right now. If the Rapture is not going to occur for another century, then the anti-christ will not have been born yet.
Our dispensation, is called the Church Age, or sometimes it is called the Age of the Royal Family, or sometimes it is called the Age of the Bride of Christ. These are all terms refer to our dispensation.
During our dispensation, believers are raised up on the written word only, supported by the Holy Spirit (unseen, undetectable, unfelt) only.
During our dispensation, the population of the world will expand to all four corners of the world, and the gospel will likewise be spread to all four corners of the world.
During our dispensation, God will position all of the powers, all of the believers, all of the unbelievers, all of the technologies, all of the ingredients of this world (as in a chess match), into a position that will make the world ready of the final confrontation.
In war, the generals try to gain the advantage over their enemy, with regard to disposition, strength, high ground, and so forth, such that the enemy can be defeated.
During our dispensation, God is making the enemies of God, a footstool for the Lords feet. That is to say, he is making them ready for the last battle. And this will not be complete until all of the details of history and of life are precisely in place as God has designed.
And now you know, just as the Thessalonians had known, why history is what it is and why life will go on and should go on, for you and for everyone. Why your first concern is to remain responsible in your life, in your job, in your focus on spiritual growth, and not get caught up in some sort of hoax prediction of the end of the world.
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6 And [kai] now [nun] ye know [eido] what withholdeth [katecho] that [eis] he [autos] might be revealed [apokalupto] in [en] his [heautou] time. [kairos] KJV-Interlinear
6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he may be revealed. NASB
What existed in Pauls day, that continues to exist in our day, and everyday throughout the history of our dispensation? Well, obviously people come and go from generation to generation, so we as people are not the restrainers of the evil one.
Organizations that existed back then, do not exist today, and likewise, organizations that exist today, did not exist back then. So, organizations are not the restraint of the evil one.
The only things that existed in both of our times, is God and Satan. The evil one is a person, but he has a normal lifespan as we all do. So even the anti-christ did not exist, nor has he existed for all of these centuries.
God is the restraint on evil. Satan is evil. God sent His Son into the world to save, and Satan likewise would like to have his chance as a personal representative, to do his own bidding. But that is not to be until the time is right.
God controls history.
Within our dispensation, the one sustaining life is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit indwells all believers, and the residence of the Holy Spirit in believers, is the principle restraint mechanism for the restraint of evil. And that restraint means that evil is prevented from being unleashed with total freedom of action.
There is evil in the world today, but it is under restraint. Evil is far worse when unrestrained. We live in a society that has a restraint on evil, that restraint provided by the Holy Spirit.
However, one day, the Holy Spirit will withdraw from this world, and along with Him, every believer in the world will be withdrawn as well. This is the Rapture event that we have been studying.
Our indwelling by the Holy Spirit is permanent and eternal. Therefore He cannot leave the world and leave believers behind. But there will come a day, when the Holy Spirit will be withdrawn, just as ambassadors are withdrawn when war is about to be declared. Therefore, that is the reason that the Rapture will occur, and that is the reason why believers will all leave this world instantaneously.
Likewise, and concurrent with that event, we will all be changed into our resurrection bodies, from corruptible to incorruptible.
This means that we as believers, from within our dispensation, will never know the identity of the anti-christ.
Guess all you want, but you will be wrong. Why?
Because God has chosen to not reveal his identity.
Who is he and when will he live? Well, we do not know who he is, but when the Rapture occurs, at that given moment, the anti-christ will already be alive, and we can presume that he will be a young charismatic man. Perhaps someone who is in his thirties or forties. The age is of course only speculation.
With only seven years remaining for the Tribulation to complete itself, and with the anti-christ assuming power immediately following the Rapture, then he has to be an adult, presumably with some political or military post or position which will allow him to seize power almost immediately.
This also means that he will be alive during the last years or decades of our dispensation, the Church Age.
If the Rapture were to occur today, then this person is alive and out there somewhere right now. If the Rapture is not going to occur for another century, then the anti-christ will not have been born yet.
Our dispensation, is called the Church Age, or sometimes it is called the Age of the Royal Family, or sometimes it is called the Age of the Bride of Christ. These are all terms refer to our dispensation.
During our dispensation, believers are raised up on the written word only, supported by the Holy Spirit (unseen, undetectable, unfelt) only.
During our dispensation, the population of the world will expand to all four corners of the world, and the gospel will likewise be spread to all four corners of the world.
During our dispensation, God will position all of the powers, all of the believers, all of the unbelievers, all of the technologies, all of the ingredients of this world (as in a chess match), into a position that will make the world ready of the final confrontation.
In war, the generals try to gain the advantage over their enemy, with regard to disposition, strength, high ground, and so forth, such that the enemy can be defeated.
During our dispensation, God is making the enemies of God, a footstool for the Lords feet. That is to say, he is making them ready for the last battle. And this will not be complete until all of the details of history and of life are precisely in place as God has designed.
And now you know, just as the Thessalonians had known, why history is what it is and why life will go on and should go on, for you and for everyone. Why your first concern is to remain responsible in your life, in your job, in your focus on spiritual growth, and not get caught up in some sort of hoax prediction of the end of the world.
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Wednesday, October 21, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:5
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5 Remember ye [mnemoneuo] not, [ou] that, [hoti] when I was [on] yet [eti] with [pros] you, [humas] I told [lego] you [humin] these things [tauta]? KJV-Interlinear
5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? NASB
This is not the first time that Paul has taught the Thessalonians the doctrines of the return of Christ (Rapture), of the details surrounding the Tribulation, and of the events surrounding the Second Advent. Nor the first time that he has taught them the principles of our own Church Age.
You should recall our study from just a few days ago, within this book, that the Thessalonians already knew these things.
The instructions of Jesus Christ were being taught by the Apostles and others, from the time of Pentecost (approximately 30 A.D.) right up until this time of Pauls writing in the early to mid 50’s A.D., and ever since then.
Even though there was a delay in the writings of the New Testament, that does not mean that the doctrines of scripture were not being taught. Similar to the writings of Moses, which did not occur until perhaps 1500 B.C., that too, did not mean that doctrine did not exist prior to Moses. For the principles of scripture, have existed since the time of Adam.
And in our current day, there is so much confusion with regard to prophecy, that even the best of Christians has to be on the alert, lest he get caught up in the confusion.
The Thessalonians had already been praised by Paul, for their tenacity in doctrine and faith, but in this letter he has had to remind them that they had misunderstood the principles behind the Church Age and the return of Christ.
They fully expected that Christ was going to return in their day, and that caused confusion and apprehension among them. Thus Paul in this letter is clarifying their confusion.
Namely that there was a necessity for several things to occur, before Christ would return. First, the great apostasy in the world, prior to the Rapture, and second, the revealing of the man of sin, or the anti-christ, who would rule in the Tribulation with impunity, before the Second Advent.
There is of course a great deal more that will occur, but Paul is only touching on the high points here, because the Thessalonians were setting aside their whole lives based on the gossip and sensational calls for getting ready for the Rapture. And, that is not what they should be doing.
No one knows the date of the Rapture. No one knows the year, or even the decade. Therefore, even though you may be interested in learning of the future events to come, because they are neat and cool and exciting, you too, should not place your life on hold because you believe, or someone told you, that the Rapture is going to happen now or pretty soon.
Rapture prophets are a dime a dozen out there, and they are not worth even that dime. For folks not familiar with USA currency, a dime is very little money. Anyway, the Rapture prophets are just as worthless, if not more so.
The only way you can get confused, is if you do not participate in a daily study of the scriptures, and therefore you simply do not learn, or if you listen to the nonsense out there in the world, rather than listening to truth.
History is full of folks who have been taken advantage of, by hoax’s and shysters, and people who are nothing more than hustlers or con-artists. And even though you might not get taken advantage of, by some smooth talking person, you can still get taken advantage of by society and the world, because the world by default is anti-truth.
And when our dispensation nears its end, the greatest apostasy in history, greater than in the days of Noah, will have seized the minds of the greater portion of the entire world population.
So, study, listen, learn, understand, and possess the knowledge that God has made available to us all, and then when you have become wise, continue to study, listen, and learn throughout all of your life, so that you do not lose track of truth, so that you do not lose track of your life, so that the world cannot lay claim to you.
Remember our study in Colossians. Your life is a journey. During your journey, during you walk, you are developing your very own song, your very own story. Therefore grow up to spiritual maturity, become complete through doctrine within your soul, and never, never forget.
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5 Remember ye [mnemoneuo] not, [ou] that, [hoti] when I was [on] yet [eti] with [pros] you, [humas] I told [lego] you [humin] these things [tauta]? KJV-Interlinear
5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things? NASB
This is not the first time that Paul has taught the Thessalonians the doctrines of the return of Christ (Rapture), of the details surrounding the Tribulation, and of the events surrounding the Second Advent. Nor the first time that he has taught them the principles of our own Church Age.
You should recall our study from just a few days ago, within this book, that the Thessalonians already knew these things.
The instructions of Jesus Christ were being taught by the Apostles and others, from the time of Pentecost (approximately 30 A.D.) right up until this time of Pauls writing in the early to mid 50’s A.D., and ever since then.
Even though there was a delay in the writings of the New Testament, that does not mean that the doctrines of scripture were not being taught. Similar to the writings of Moses, which did not occur until perhaps 1500 B.C., that too, did not mean that doctrine did not exist prior to Moses. For the principles of scripture, have existed since the time of Adam.
And in our current day, there is so much confusion with regard to prophecy, that even the best of Christians has to be on the alert, lest he get caught up in the confusion.
The Thessalonians had already been praised by Paul, for their tenacity in doctrine and faith, but in this letter he has had to remind them that they had misunderstood the principles behind the Church Age and the return of Christ.
They fully expected that Christ was going to return in their day, and that caused confusion and apprehension among them. Thus Paul in this letter is clarifying their confusion.
Namely that there was a necessity for several things to occur, before Christ would return. First, the great apostasy in the world, prior to the Rapture, and second, the revealing of the man of sin, or the anti-christ, who would rule in the Tribulation with impunity, before the Second Advent.
There is of course a great deal more that will occur, but Paul is only touching on the high points here, because the Thessalonians were setting aside their whole lives based on the gossip and sensational calls for getting ready for the Rapture. And, that is not what they should be doing.
No one knows the date of the Rapture. No one knows the year, or even the decade. Therefore, even though you may be interested in learning of the future events to come, because they are neat and cool and exciting, you too, should not place your life on hold because you believe, or someone told you, that the Rapture is going to happen now or pretty soon.
Rapture prophets are a dime a dozen out there, and they are not worth even that dime. For folks not familiar with USA currency, a dime is very little money. Anyway, the Rapture prophets are just as worthless, if not more so.
The only way you can get confused, is if you do not participate in a daily study of the scriptures, and therefore you simply do not learn, or if you listen to the nonsense out there in the world, rather than listening to truth.
History is full of folks who have been taken advantage of, by hoax’s and shysters, and people who are nothing more than hustlers or con-artists. And even though you might not get taken advantage of, by some smooth talking person, you can still get taken advantage of by society and the world, because the world by default is anti-truth.
And when our dispensation nears its end, the greatest apostasy in history, greater than in the days of Noah, will have seized the minds of the greater portion of the entire world population.
So, study, listen, learn, understand, and possess the knowledge that God has made available to us all, and then when you have become wise, continue to study, listen, and learn throughout all of your life, so that you do not lose track of truth, so that you do not lose track of your life, so that the world cannot lay claim to you.
Remember our study in Colossians. Your life is a journey. During your journey, during you walk, you are developing your very own song, your very own story. Therefore grow up to spiritual maturity, become complete through doctrine within your soul, and never, never forget.
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Tuesday, October 20, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:4
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4 Who [ho] opposeth [antikeimai] and [kai] exalteth [huperairomai] himself above [epi] all [pas] that is called [lego] God, [theos] or [e] that is worshipped; [sebasma] so [hoste] that he [autos] as [hos] God [theos] sitteth [kathizo] in [eis] the temple [naos] of God, [theos] shewing [apodeiknumi] himself [heautou] that [hoti] he is [esti] God. [theos] KJV-Interlinear
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. NASB
The anti-christ, as this person is often called, the leader who will arise immediately after the Rapture, will be the most evil person who ever lived in human history.
He will assume rule during the Tribulation (the last remaining seven years of human rule), and his attitude will be one of supreme arrogance and disregard of all deities, real or imagined, living or symbolic.
He will have total disregard for anything that anyone believes in, and in doing so, will lead with total ruthlessness and disregard for any human rights or claims to life.
Note one thing here. The Tribulation is the name given to the last seven years of the Age of Israel (Daniels seventieth week prophecy). The Tribulation will begin immediately when our dispensation of the Church Age is terminated with the Rapture.
The Tribulation will be the most terrifying period in all of human history, will be led by the most apostate and evil person in all of human history, and this follows then that the end of our Church Age, will be the most apostate period of Church history, leading into those last seven years.
Note, that the circumstances of the world which will exist in the Tribulation, just one second after the Rapture, will also exist just one second (if not for years) immediately prior to the Rapture.
The only thing that prevents the world from coming to an end during our dispensation, is the Holy Spirit, who is the restrainer of evil. The Holy Spirit indwells every believer during our dispensation, and when we leave via the Rapture, then so does that restraint.
His (Holy Spirit) presence does not however, prevent evil from happening in our present time. Just look around you and you’ll see evil everywhere, in its many forms. The world is simply not going to come to an end during our dispensation of the Church Age.
Even now, as in every era of history, people have free will and have the right and freedom to make up their own minds regarding truth or whatever it is that they wish to believe. Rejection of truth simply leads to problems, during our age, not the end of the world.
The anti-christ will resent, reject, and oppose any and all systems of religion, faith, cults, etc., and set himself up as the ultimate authority on truth, and make himself out to be the single authority on what is best for humanity.
Now, note one more point here. You can wish, hope and pray for world peace, prosperity, and apple pie, but human history is headed for this future period of evil. This is a prophecy of trends for our dispensation and a prophecy of events for the Tribulation. God is never wrong, and these are Gods words.
Don’t stop praying or hoping or whatever it is that you do, because we do not know when this period will be. We are also given this information so that we may observe and prepare ourselves for the worst of times.
Regardless of what is on the horizon for humanity, or when it might be, your responsibility, now, is to stick with your daily studies and advance to spiritual maturity, such that you will be complete in your life and prepared for your eventual meeting with Christ, which too, is an event that is certain in your future.
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4 Who [ho] opposeth [antikeimai] and [kai] exalteth [huperairomai] himself above [epi] all [pas] that is called [lego] God, [theos] or [e] that is worshipped; [sebasma] so [hoste] that he [autos] as [hos] God [theos] sitteth [kathizo] in [eis] the temple [naos] of God, [theos] shewing [apodeiknumi] himself [heautou] that [hoti] he is [esti] God. [theos] KJV-Interlinear
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. NASB
The anti-christ, as this person is often called, the leader who will arise immediately after the Rapture, will be the most evil person who ever lived in human history.
He will assume rule during the Tribulation (the last remaining seven years of human rule), and his attitude will be one of supreme arrogance and disregard of all deities, real or imagined, living or symbolic.
He will have total disregard for anything that anyone believes in, and in doing so, will lead with total ruthlessness and disregard for any human rights or claims to life.
Note one thing here. The Tribulation is the name given to the last seven years of the Age of Israel (Daniels seventieth week prophecy). The Tribulation will begin immediately when our dispensation of the Church Age is terminated with the Rapture.
The Tribulation will be the most terrifying period in all of human history, will be led by the most apostate and evil person in all of human history, and this follows then that the end of our Church Age, will be the most apostate period of Church history, leading into those last seven years.
Note, that the circumstances of the world which will exist in the Tribulation, just one second after the Rapture, will also exist just one second (if not for years) immediately prior to the Rapture.
The only thing that prevents the world from coming to an end during our dispensation, is the Holy Spirit, who is the restrainer of evil. The Holy Spirit indwells every believer during our dispensation, and when we leave via the Rapture, then so does that restraint.
His (Holy Spirit) presence does not however, prevent evil from happening in our present time. Just look around you and you’ll see evil everywhere, in its many forms. The world is simply not going to come to an end during our dispensation of the Church Age.
Even now, as in every era of history, people have free will and have the right and freedom to make up their own minds regarding truth or whatever it is that they wish to believe. Rejection of truth simply leads to problems, during our age, not the end of the world.
The anti-christ will resent, reject, and oppose any and all systems of religion, faith, cults, etc., and set himself up as the ultimate authority on truth, and make himself out to be the single authority on what is best for humanity.
Now, note one more point here. You can wish, hope and pray for world peace, prosperity, and apple pie, but human history is headed for this future period of evil. This is a prophecy of trends for our dispensation and a prophecy of events for the Tribulation. God is never wrong, and these are Gods words.
Don’t stop praying or hoping or whatever it is that you do, because we do not know when this period will be. We are also given this information so that we may observe and prepare ourselves for the worst of times.
Regardless of what is on the horizon for humanity, or when it might be, your responsibility, now, is to stick with your daily studies and advance to spiritual maturity, such that you will be complete in your life and prepared for your eventual meeting with Christ, which too, is an event that is certain in your future.
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Monday, October 19, 2009
2 Thessalonians 2:3b
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3 Let [exapatao] no [me] man [tis] deceive [exapatao] you [humas] by [kata] any [medeis] means: [tropos] for [hoti] that day shall not come, except [ean me] there come [erchomai] a falling away [apostasia] first, [proton] and [kai] that man [anthropos] of sin [hamartia] be revealed, [apokalupto] the son [huios] of perdition; [apoleia] KJV-Interlinear
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, NASB
I am going to title this study, ‘Conversation with Apostasy’
Just during this past week, I had a conversation online with several people. Originally it began with three individuals, but after I excused myself from the conversation, a chorus of people chimed in and the conversation deteriorated into a spattering of mockery, ridicule and then degenerate cursing.
I will add some of my observations from this conversation.
First, all of these people were young. From their pictures they all seemed to be in their late teens or early to mid twenties. I did not include their pictures in this study. So, being young I do not believe that they possess very much life experience or wisdom. From their typing, they appear to spend their time on the internet.
They are not stupid people, and they all have knowledge of the Bible. They cite scientific approach, but that appears to be only the use of words without substance. And their words imply anger.
These people were from several locations around the world.
I changed their names to read as party #1, party #2, etc, and identified myself as John, of course.
I removed the links to several internet addresses which were listed. Not addresses that you would take your children to. And I abbreviated some of the very bad language, which should be obvious. Hope I got all of the words.
Otherwise, the text of the conversation has not been edited or changed.
The whole point of this study is to show you just how or what people think, and how it is related to our current study.
The conversation was entered into by myself, quite by accident, but I was very surprised at its results.
You should be able to see the anger in their words, but the real question here is, ’If they do not believe in God, then why go online and ask the questions, unless they simply wanted to bait someone into their own private debate?’
Some folks are not very street smart or brave, when out in life, but when they can hide behind a computer and an internet shield, then their courage grows way off the chart.
In short, there was a great deal of rhetoric, but very little substance, and that is how spiritually dysfunctional people operate. They are impressed with their own empty words and believe in the emptiness of their own thoughts, but they reject truth even in its simplest form.
If this is any example of what the next generation is going to be like, then what of the next following generation and then the generation after that. Would this be an example of the great apostasy which is to come, as stated by Paul?
I wanted to let you read their words, so you could see into the minds of apostate people, their lack of argument, their twisting of words, their mockery, their defiance and how they cling to their beliefs.
And you will see at the end, how the chorus of others who did not participate, will chime in with nothing but ridicule and degenerate comments. I call these folks the choir of fools, representing the rest of the world. This is what we can expect in our, and possibly the next generations, future.
Beginning of the entire conversation.
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PARTY #1
Can anyone prove there is a god or an afterlife or anything like this statement -
"Noah's Ark, or some sort of large, huge, ark-like, with the exactly right measurements, wooden, boat (or Noah's Ark) has been spotted on Mount Ararat by people, the U.S. government, and the military."Much simpler: that entire sentence is made up.
PARTY #2
not the best points but keep trying,this is such a challenge to prove God's existence, you can't use the bible or any theological teachings and the burden of proof is on usand "you just got to have faith isn't realy a viable argument"the only thing i can say is (and i know this is the stupidest argument I've presented so far and is exactly some of the circular logic that your talkin about ; i really just want to see how you'll respond to it) there is no proof God doesn't exist either.
John
I would like to offer this response to your question. There are only three systems of perception - rationalism, empiricism, and faith. By these three and some combination of them, all that can be learned, is learned.The first two deal with the tangible world while the last deals with the non-tangible (spiritual world).Since the spiritual side of life cannot be accessed by the tangible side, then we have to lean on our logic and objectivity in order to arrive at a conclusion with regard to the spiritual side of life.So we turn to history and common sense to discover the facts behind religion, faith, and the existence of everything around us.If one is logical and objective, then there can be only one conclusion that is correct, and that is that the world around us is simply too complex to have come into existence without some form of help.Of course you can rationalize that it was all an accident, but then you have to look to historical records, and the Bible has a phenomenal history, and verifiable history to support its argument.When compared with other religions, then the Christianity stands out in that all other religions reject Jesus Christ, that means that your focus should be on Christianity in your search for answers.Of course you can reject all of this, but when it all comes right down to it, can anyone really bet their entire existence on an idea that nothing exists after this life? That is a very big gamble.If nothing exists after this life, then of what value are any of us now? Everything would become relative and pointless if there was nothing to look to after this life. And that leaves us with one last point. We will all leave this life one day, then what?What would you bet for a concept of nothingness that you could not prove, when there are huge volumes of evidence suggesting otherwise?
PARTY #3
John, "If one is logical and objective, then there can be only one conclusion that is correct, and that is that the world around us is simply too complex to have come into existence without some form of help."There is absolutely nothing logical about that statement. It is ENTIRELY supposition based upon personal feeling. Got anything more concrete?"Of course you can rationalize that it was all an accident, but then you have to look to historical records, and the Bible has a phenomenal history, and verifiable history to support its argument."Yes, you look at historical records, the Bible is one of them, but only ONE SMALL piece, compared to the innumerable other historical records, both created by humans and by nature . . . As for everything else in that statement, it's once again supposition."When compared with other religions, then the Christianity stands out in that all other religions reject Jesus Christ, that means that your focus should be on Christianity in your search for answers."Wait, so Christianity is the only correct religion because other religions don't believe in Jesus Christ? That's circular logic, egotistical as hell, and stereotypically Christian to say. Nice job."Of course you can reject all of this, but when it all comes right down to it, can anyone really bet their entire existence on an idea that nothng exists after this life? That is a very big gamble."It's not if you don't stand to lose or gain anything in the first place. What will be will be, and when you die, you die . . . so no matter what book you want to thump, you'll be dead eventually, the same as the rest, and so you'll lose everything and gain nothing."If nothing exists after this life, then of what value are any of us now?"So your life now is only valuable as determined by the essence of an afterlife? What exactly do you do again? You're saying that if it wasn't for an afterlife, you'd just off yourself? Really?"We will all leave this life one day, then what?"Nothing. That's the definition of DEATH. The ceasing of all life."What would you bet for a concept of nothingness that you could not prove, when there are huge volumes of evidence suggesting otherwise?"A large book full of fairy tale stories is hardly "volumes of evidence".
John
Well, objectivity has to replace ridicule that lacks research. You seem to reject everything without even the fairest of tests. Like I said before, to reject even the remotest of possibilities is a fools bet, especially when the fool lacks any proof otherwise. You seem to reject Christianity for lack of proof (which you refuse to explore), but embrace a no hereafter view likewise without proof.
PARTY #3
That's it, John? So after I reject your "evidence" of God using very logical processes all you can come up with is "you refuse to see the truth"?Typical.
John
Don't think that I said that. You seem to reject any proof of God, but you seem to accept the idea that there is no afterlife likewise without proof. Your rational seems contradictory to me. And even more dangerous for you, since if you are wrong, then you lose, and if you were right, you lose as well.
PARTY #3
John, Incorrect, once again. I follow the scientific process; there is no evidence of an afterlife, therefore, there isn't one until it can be proven by scientific process to be highly likely. You want to prove, or at least, highly suggest there is one? Find a way to conduct experiments on it, to prove by observation, facts, or something else, that such a plane of existence is real. Otherwise, shut up with the wild imaginings.Oh, and John? I lose nothing and gain nothing if I'm right. This isn't some game of poker or a television show. For me, there is nothing at stake here. For you, there is. Your way of thinking, your way of life, your version of reality. Plus, you lay a lot of betting into there being an afterlife. But since there isn't one, I'd say that if anyone "loses" here, it would be you. I just get faced with the reality I already knew and accepted.
PARTY #1
"you seem to accept the idea that there is no afterlife likewise without proof."But there IS proof:Remember your life before you were born? that is the same place you go after you die.Ever been unconscious? Asleep? Where does your "soul" go when your brain is not awake?After 8 hours of dreamless sleep or deep anesthesia, you just wake up with a memory gap. Death is a memory gap that never ends."since if you are wrong, then you lose, and if you were right, you lose as well."If you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you will go to Super Hell, which is much worse than regular hell. Can you afford to bet that the FSM doesn't exist?Or what if god punishes believers by sending them to hell?For future reference: Pascal's Wager is for RETARDED PEOPLE.
PARTY #2
pastafarian, lol [note insert here - pastafarian is someone who believes in the flying spaghetti monster]
John
I think that most folks will not take such a drastic approach in rejecting the possibility of an afterlife. Your life here in this life amounts to not much more than a few decades give or take. After this life ends, there is all of eternity.Yours is a big gamble.I go back to my original rational. The spiritual life cannot be accessed from this life, therefore if there is any, even the slightest of possibilities that it does exist, then one is better off if he does tangible research to discover the truths of faith. Bible study is the best approach, because it is truth.Not truth taken by blind faith, but truth determined by reasonable and objective research.You seem to enjoy twisting my words, but anyone else reading these words, I hope, will see the emptiness of your reasoning.Rather than continuing in circles, I will close my part of this discussion and allow whomever is reading, to make up their own mind. I write a daily bible study and have for many years. It is not there to convince or force those who refuse to be convinced, but it is there to allow folks to make up their own minds. You are welcome to read the studies at http://www.DailyBibleStudy.Org or ignore them altogether.But I hope one day that life will serve you up something that causes you to doubt your present ideas and at least investigate (again objectively) the possibilities.
PARTY #4
wanna macbook air?!?!?!?Reg now! Place your photo and... take it!!![internet link]Good Luck ;)
PARTY #1
humans are a type of monkey living on the surface of this planet, and that's that.your emotional pleas are useless. There is no "afterlife", no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.there is no "gamble". we know for a fact what happens to people when they die.
PARTY #3
John, Just because you desperately want, no, NEED the idea of an afterlife doesn't mean I have to buy into your little fantasy. Don't be irritated at me because you can't tolerate the idea that maybe, just maybe, reality is only what you see. That life is just what it is: a never-ending scramble for limited resources in order to heighten the chances of reproduction. And that's it. When you die, the electrical sparks bouncing between neurons in your brain dissipate and you are gone. That's it. Nothing more. I don't need anything more. I'll take account for my actions here in this life, because I know that this is all you get. This one chance. You can't handle the idea of you ACTUALLY dying? That's too bad, but it doesn't mean you get to be indignant with the people who accept a more enlightened view of reality."Yours is a big gamble."Nope. Because once again, I say to you, I have nothing at stake. I've accepted that I die. And besides, even if there WAS an afterlife, that means to me that when I die, it's that much more special to me, thta much more of a surprise. So if you really want to press the issue, I guess I'm the one who benefits in this "gamble" of yours."I go back to my original rational. The spiritual life cannot be accessed from this life, therefore if there is any, even the slightest of possibilities that it does exist, then one is better off if he does tangible research to discover the truths of faith. Bible study is the best approach, because it is truth."Wow. That's a pretty big piece of shit you pulled out of your ass there. I mean, that is essentially the most fact-less, most speculative, most presumptive piece of garbage I've seen on here in a while. Congratulations. You managed to say absolutely nothing that is actually verifiable."Not truth taken by blind faith, but truth determined by reasonable and objective research."Exactly. Science is the answer to many things. So why haven't you actually offered anything based in logic or science to support your faith yet? So far I've seen nothing but self-righteous indignation and supposition."You seen to enjoy twisting my words, but anyone else reading these words, I hope, will see the emptiness of your reasoning."If they do, I feel sorry for them . . . that they are as empty and without logical faculties as you are."But I hope one day that life will serve you up something that causes you to doubt your present ideas and at least investigate (again objectively) the possibilities."Eh, probably not going to happen. Just way too many FACTS and TRUTHS in the world against your SUPPOSITIONS and EMPTY CIRCULAR LOGIC.
PARTY #5
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PARTY #6
[internet link]heres your proof
PARTY #7
I'll give you 3, Australia,Beer & [Famous Person]!
AH
heh, many [Famous Person] stuff: [internet link] I think he is the best of all over the world
PARTY #8
F off, Massa.
PARTY #9
how do you know it's him?
PARTY #8
God told me... God hates Massa. It's true
PARTY #9
lol....you have a direct correspodence? mine's usually a monologue...rarely a dialogue....
PARTY #10
well we better hurry and find a new messia to follow we only have approx 137 years left if that till the sun ( or son ) passes through the fishes constilation into the water pitcher carrier Aquarius. The 2150 year passing into the twelve ( disciples, star signs ) has been proven through history to mark the transfer of new religion or new Kings and new rule. Jesus's deciples asked where the next passover would be after he was gone he told them to follow the man with a water pitcher into his house and there would be found. The star transfer of the sun goes anti clockwize from the ancient sun worshipers who started our now christian religion over 10000 years ago and plotted the transfer every 2150 years or so, it is the suns allignment with the star signs. The sun gives life, walks on water, brings floods, resurects and picses the two fishes has fed the masses from the conception of the bible. If you christians dont believe me just research its a secret to the christian religion only the highest are privilaged to know and comprehend, we will never be given the truth through our higher authority. Those who believe truth in authority and not truth as authority will always be blind. The sun gives sight every day or every six months in some parts of the earth. Horus was born of the virgin isis lived as a minister was inducted at twelve and was crucified then resurected 3 days later. look at when the sun is at its lowest eb each year and for how long, 3 days as the eye percieves and then it rises on the 25th in allignment with the eastern star and the three kings ( three wize men that came from the east ) the three kings are orions belt. just do some homework if you want to seek the truth and stop following in the dark, here is some clues to start the journey. He was risen back to his maker and given authority over the heavens and the earth, the sun has authority over the earth and heavens ( the sky ). Please do some research and let us share what we find. Masonic claims right over the building of solomons temple and that the king was a master. How much do you think they own of the past or are they owned by the origional story, the origins hold the power not the future which claims ownership. It is all our knowledge, our descendants, our life, no group or authority can have our life, decide what we can learn, find our true roots, dont let anyone take the ancient shared privialage by wrapping you up with disinformation and the following of blindness, share and go in peace.
PARTY #8
Yes, I do. God is actually very anti-religion
PARTY #11
F THE BIBLE AND F EVERY C IN HERE TOO
PARTY #12
And during this bible study, we will introduce the book of Dracula written down by Bram Stoker as it was spoken to him by "god."So believe everything you read in Dracula because it too is the word of "god."Text of this study is located atJonathon Harker's (Son of "god") Journal 1:1And next week, I'll bring in another fictional book that is gentler on the primitive christian mind.
PARTY #3
* ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz -- Uh, what? Somebody say something? Uh . . . ZZZZZZZZZZZ*
PARTY #13
This is as bafeling as alien anal probeing. Its only one book right, havent scientists finished there study yet?
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End of the entire conversation.
If you made it this far through the entire conversation, then you have seen into the minds of people who are brave when they do not expect any repercussions to their beliefs. And odd as it may seem, neither you, nor I, nor even God forced them into their way of thinking. They did it all themselves.
And, both you and I have had and will continue to have the opportunity to see history unfold, just as Paul described it, from nearly 2000 years ago. And those individuals who reject truth, are in fact fulfilling a historical trend that was foreseen long ago.
And more than that, they are going to be the primary instrument for bringing in history’s most evil person, at some point in the future.
We have people in our time, pushing prayers, pushing government programs, pushing world peace, pushing some program or another, in order to save this world, but our worst enemy is not programs, or environment, or governments, but the lack of spiritual content in the soul of individuals.
For it is they who become the formation of evil, and evil which advances world destruction.
You can pick up all of the trash you can find, but if you do not change the thinking of people, then your efforts will accomplish nothing.
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3 Let [exapatao] no [me] man [tis] deceive [exapatao] you [humas] by [kata] any [medeis] means: [tropos] for [hoti] that day shall not come, except [ean me] there come [erchomai] a falling away [apostasia] first, [proton] and [kai] that man [anthropos] of sin [hamartia] be revealed, [apokalupto] the son [huios] of perdition; [apoleia] KJV-Interlinear
3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, NASB
I am going to title this study, ‘Conversation with Apostasy’
Just during this past week, I had a conversation online with several people. Originally it began with three individuals, but after I excused myself from the conversation, a chorus of people chimed in and the conversation deteriorated into a spattering of mockery, ridicule and then degenerate cursing.
I will add some of my observations from this conversation.
First, all of these people were young. From their pictures they all seemed to be in their late teens or early to mid twenties. I did not include their pictures in this study. So, being young I do not believe that they possess very much life experience or wisdom. From their typing, they appear to spend their time on the internet.
They are not stupid people, and they all have knowledge of the Bible. They cite scientific approach, but that appears to be only the use of words without substance. And their words imply anger.
These people were from several locations around the world.
I changed their names to read as party #1, party #2, etc, and identified myself as John, of course.
I removed the links to several internet addresses which were listed. Not addresses that you would take your children to. And I abbreviated some of the very bad language, which should be obvious. Hope I got all of the words.
Otherwise, the text of the conversation has not been edited or changed.
The whole point of this study is to show you just how or what people think, and how it is related to our current study.
The conversation was entered into by myself, quite by accident, but I was very surprised at its results.
You should be able to see the anger in their words, but the real question here is, ’If they do not believe in God, then why go online and ask the questions, unless they simply wanted to bait someone into their own private debate?’
Some folks are not very street smart or brave, when out in life, but when they can hide behind a computer and an internet shield, then their courage grows way off the chart.
In short, there was a great deal of rhetoric, but very little substance, and that is how spiritually dysfunctional people operate. They are impressed with their own empty words and believe in the emptiness of their own thoughts, but they reject truth even in its simplest form.
If this is any example of what the next generation is going to be like, then what of the next following generation and then the generation after that. Would this be an example of the great apostasy which is to come, as stated by Paul?
I wanted to let you read their words, so you could see into the minds of apostate people, their lack of argument, their twisting of words, their mockery, their defiance and how they cling to their beliefs.
And you will see at the end, how the chorus of others who did not participate, will chime in with nothing but ridicule and degenerate comments. I call these folks the choir of fools, representing the rest of the world. This is what we can expect in our, and possibly the next generations, future.
Beginning of the entire conversation.
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PARTY #1
Can anyone prove there is a god or an afterlife or anything like this statement -
"Noah's Ark, or some sort of large, huge, ark-like, with the exactly right measurements, wooden, boat (or Noah's Ark) has been spotted on Mount Ararat by people, the U.S. government, and the military."Much simpler: that entire sentence is made up.
PARTY #2
not the best points but keep trying,this is such a challenge to prove God's existence, you can't use the bible or any theological teachings and the burden of proof is on usand "you just got to have faith isn't realy a viable argument"the only thing i can say is (and i know this is the stupidest argument I've presented so far and is exactly some of the circular logic that your talkin about ; i really just want to see how you'll respond to it) there is no proof God doesn't exist either.
John
I would like to offer this response to your question. There are only three systems of perception - rationalism, empiricism, and faith. By these three and some combination of them, all that can be learned, is learned.The first two deal with the tangible world while the last deals with the non-tangible (spiritual world).Since the spiritual side of life cannot be accessed by the tangible side, then we have to lean on our logic and objectivity in order to arrive at a conclusion with regard to the spiritual side of life.So we turn to history and common sense to discover the facts behind religion, faith, and the existence of everything around us.If one is logical and objective, then there can be only one conclusion that is correct, and that is that the world around us is simply too complex to have come into existence without some form of help.Of course you can rationalize that it was all an accident, but then you have to look to historical records, and the Bible has a phenomenal history, and verifiable history to support its argument.When compared with other religions, then the Christianity stands out in that all other religions reject Jesus Christ, that means that your focus should be on Christianity in your search for answers.Of course you can reject all of this, but when it all comes right down to it, can anyone really bet their entire existence on an idea that nothing exists after this life? That is a very big gamble.If nothing exists after this life, then of what value are any of us now? Everything would become relative and pointless if there was nothing to look to after this life. And that leaves us with one last point. We will all leave this life one day, then what?What would you bet for a concept of nothingness that you could not prove, when there are huge volumes of evidence suggesting otherwise?
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John, "If one is logical and objective, then there can be only one conclusion that is correct, and that is that the world around us is simply too complex to have come into existence without some form of help."There is absolutely nothing logical about that statement. It is ENTIRELY supposition based upon personal feeling. Got anything more concrete?"Of course you can rationalize that it was all an accident, but then you have to look to historical records, and the Bible has a phenomenal history, and verifiable history to support its argument."Yes, you look at historical records, the Bible is one of them, but only ONE SMALL piece, compared to the innumerable other historical records, both created by humans and by nature . . . As for everything else in that statement, it's once again supposition."When compared with other religions, then the Christianity stands out in that all other religions reject Jesus Christ, that means that your focus should be on Christianity in your search for answers."Wait, so Christianity is the only correct religion because other religions don't believe in Jesus Christ? That's circular logic, egotistical as hell, and stereotypically Christian to say. Nice job."Of course you can reject all of this, but when it all comes right down to it, can anyone really bet their entire existence on an idea that nothng exists after this life? That is a very big gamble."It's not if you don't stand to lose or gain anything in the first place. What will be will be, and when you die, you die . . . so no matter what book you want to thump, you'll be dead eventually, the same as the rest, and so you'll lose everything and gain nothing."If nothing exists after this life, then of what value are any of us now?"So your life now is only valuable as determined by the essence of an afterlife? What exactly do you do again? You're saying that if it wasn't for an afterlife, you'd just off yourself? Really?"We will all leave this life one day, then what?"Nothing. That's the definition of DEATH. The ceasing of all life."What would you bet for a concept of nothingness that you could not prove, when there are huge volumes of evidence suggesting otherwise?"A large book full of fairy tale stories is hardly "volumes of evidence".
John
Well, objectivity has to replace ridicule that lacks research. You seem to reject everything without even the fairest of tests. Like I said before, to reject even the remotest of possibilities is a fools bet, especially when the fool lacks any proof otherwise. You seem to reject Christianity for lack of proof (which you refuse to explore), but embrace a no hereafter view likewise without proof.
PARTY #3
That's it, John? So after I reject your "evidence" of God using very logical processes all you can come up with is "you refuse to see the truth"?Typical.
John
Don't think that I said that. You seem to reject any proof of God, but you seem to accept the idea that there is no afterlife likewise without proof. Your rational seems contradictory to me. And even more dangerous for you, since if you are wrong, then you lose, and if you were right, you lose as well.
PARTY #3
John, Incorrect, once again. I follow the scientific process; there is no evidence of an afterlife, therefore, there isn't one until it can be proven by scientific process to be highly likely. You want to prove, or at least, highly suggest there is one? Find a way to conduct experiments on it, to prove by observation, facts, or something else, that such a plane of existence is real. Otherwise, shut up with the wild imaginings.Oh, and John? I lose nothing and gain nothing if I'm right. This isn't some game of poker or a television show. For me, there is nothing at stake here. For you, there is. Your way of thinking, your way of life, your version of reality. Plus, you lay a lot of betting into there being an afterlife. But since there isn't one, I'd say that if anyone "loses" here, it would be you. I just get faced with the reality I already knew and accepted.
PARTY #1
"you seem to accept the idea that there is no afterlife likewise without proof."But there IS proof:Remember your life before you were born? that is the same place you go after you die.Ever been unconscious? Asleep? Where does your "soul" go when your brain is not awake?After 8 hours of dreamless sleep or deep anesthesia, you just wake up with a memory gap. Death is a memory gap that never ends."since if you are wrong, then you lose, and if you were right, you lose as well."If you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you will go to Super Hell, which is much worse than regular hell. Can you afford to bet that the FSM doesn't exist?Or what if god punishes believers by sending them to hell?For future reference: Pascal's Wager is for RETARDED PEOPLE.
PARTY #2
pastafarian, lol [note insert here - pastafarian is someone who believes in the flying spaghetti monster]
John
I think that most folks will not take such a drastic approach in rejecting the possibility of an afterlife. Your life here in this life amounts to not much more than a few decades give or take. After this life ends, there is all of eternity.Yours is a big gamble.I go back to my original rational. The spiritual life cannot be accessed from this life, therefore if there is any, even the slightest of possibilities that it does exist, then one is better off if he does tangible research to discover the truths of faith. Bible study is the best approach, because it is truth.Not truth taken by blind faith, but truth determined by reasonable and objective research.You seem to enjoy twisting my words, but anyone else reading these words, I hope, will see the emptiness of your reasoning.Rather than continuing in circles, I will close my part of this discussion and allow whomever is reading, to make up their own mind. I write a daily bible study and have for many years. It is not there to convince or force those who refuse to be convinced, but it is there to allow folks to make up their own minds. You are welcome to read the studies at http://www.DailyBibleStudy.Org or ignore them altogether.But I hope one day that life will serve you up something that causes you to doubt your present ideas and at least investigate (again objectively) the possibilities.
PARTY #4
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PARTY #1
humans are a type of monkey living on the surface of this planet, and that's that.your emotional pleas are useless. There is no "afterlife", no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.there is no "gamble". we know for a fact what happens to people when they die.
PARTY #3
John, Just because you desperately want, no, NEED the idea of an afterlife doesn't mean I have to buy into your little fantasy. Don't be irritated at me because you can't tolerate the idea that maybe, just maybe, reality is only what you see. That life is just what it is: a never-ending scramble for limited resources in order to heighten the chances of reproduction. And that's it. When you die, the electrical sparks bouncing between neurons in your brain dissipate and you are gone. That's it. Nothing more. I don't need anything more. I'll take account for my actions here in this life, because I know that this is all you get. This one chance. You can't handle the idea of you ACTUALLY dying? That's too bad, but it doesn't mean you get to be indignant with the people who accept a more enlightened view of reality."Yours is a big gamble."Nope. Because once again, I say to you, I have nothing at stake. I've accepted that I die. And besides, even if there WAS an afterlife, that means to me that when I die, it's that much more special to me, thta much more of a surprise. So if you really want to press the issue, I guess I'm the one who benefits in this "gamble" of yours."I go back to my original rational. The spiritual life cannot be accessed from this life, therefore if there is any, even the slightest of possibilities that it does exist, then one is better off if he does tangible research to discover the truths of faith. Bible study is the best approach, because it is truth."Wow. That's a pretty big piece of shit you pulled out of your ass there. I mean, that is essentially the most fact-less, most speculative, most presumptive piece of garbage I've seen on here in a while. Congratulations. You managed to say absolutely nothing that is actually verifiable."Not truth taken by blind faith, but truth determined by reasonable and objective research."Exactly. Science is the answer to many things. So why haven't you actually offered anything based in logic or science to support your faith yet? So far I've seen nothing but self-righteous indignation and supposition."You seen to enjoy twisting my words, but anyone else reading these words, I hope, will see the emptiness of your reasoning."If they do, I feel sorry for them . . . that they are as empty and without logical faculties as you are."But I hope one day that life will serve you up something that causes you to doubt your present ideas and at least investigate (again objectively) the possibilities."Eh, probably not going to happen. Just way too many FACTS and TRUTHS in the world against your SUPPOSITIONS and EMPTY CIRCULAR LOGIC.
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PARTY #6
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PARTY #7
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PARTY #8
F off, Massa.
PARTY #9
how do you know it's him?
PARTY #8
God told me... God hates Massa. It's true
PARTY #9
lol....you have a direct correspodence? mine's usually a monologue...rarely a dialogue....
PARTY #10
well we better hurry and find a new messia to follow we only have approx 137 years left if that till the sun ( or son ) passes through the fishes constilation into the water pitcher carrier Aquarius. The 2150 year passing into the twelve ( disciples, star signs ) has been proven through history to mark the transfer of new religion or new Kings and new rule. Jesus's deciples asked where the next passover would be after he was gone he told them to follow the man with a water pitcher into his house and there would be found. The star transfer of the sun goes anti clockwize from the ancient sun worshipers who started our now christian religion over 10000 years ago and plotted the transfer every 2150 years or so, it is the suns allignment with the star signs. The sun gives life, walks on water, brings floods, resurects and picses the two fishes has fed the masses from the conception of the bible. If you christians dont believe me just research its a secret to the christian religion only the highest are privilaged to know and comprehend, we will never be given the truth through our higher authority. Those who believe truth in authority and not truth as authority will always be blind. The sun gives sight every day or every six months in some parts of the earth. Horus was born of the virgin isis lived as a minister was inducted at twelve and was crucified then resurected 3 days later. look at when the sun is at its lowest eb each year and for how long, 3 days as the eye percieves and then it rises on the 25th in allignment with the eastern star and the three kings ( three wize men that came from the east ) the three kings are orions belt. just do some homework if you want to seek the truth and stop following in the dark, here is some clues to start the journey. He was risen back to his maker and given authority over the heavens and the earth, the sun has authority over the earth and heavens ( the sky ). Please do some research and let us share what we find. Masonic claims right over the building of solomons temple and that the king was a master. How much do you think they own of the past or are they owned by the origional story, the origins hold the power not the future which claims ownership. It is all our knowledge, our descendants, our life, no group or authority can have our life, decide what we can learn, find our true roots, dont let anyone take the ancient shared privialage by wrapping you up with disinformation and the following of blindness, share and go in peace.
PARTY #8
Yes, I do. God is actually very anti-religion
PARTY #11
F THE BIBLE AND F EVERY C IN HERE TOO
PARTY #12
And during this bible study, we will introduce the book of Dracula written down by Bram Stoker as it was spoken to him by "god."So believe everything you read in Dracula because it too is the word of "god."Text of this study is located atJonathon Harker's (Son of "god") Journal 1:1And next week, I'll bring in another fictional book that is gentler on the primitive christian mind.
PARTY #3
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PARTY #13
This is as bafeling as alien anal probeing. Its only one book right, havent scientists finished there study yet?
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End of the entire conversation.
If you made it this far through the entire conversation, then you have seen into the minds of people who are brave when they do not expect any repercussions to their beliefs. And odd as it may seem, neither you, nor I, nor even God forced them into their way of thinking. They did it all themselves.
And, both you and I have had and will continue to have the opportunity to see history unfold, just as Paul described it, from nearly 2000 years ago. And those individuals who reject truth, are in fact fulfilling a historical trend that was foreseen long ago.
And more than that, they are going to be the primary instrument for bringing in history’s most evil person, at some point in the future.
We have people in our time, pushing prayers, pushing government programs, pushing world peace, pushing some program or another, in order to save this world, but our worst enemy is not programs, or environment, or governments, but the lack of spiritual content in the soul of individuals.
For it is they who become the formation of evil, and evil which advances world destruction.
You can pick up all of the trash you can find, but if you do not change the thinking of people, then your efforts will accomplish nothing.
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